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Thread: Deep Space as a privateer
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TomoRainer
Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:30 am
#1
Is there a way to get faction points in Deep Space if you're neutral? Going there from the Dath station doesn't declare you in a way that lets you get FP (though you're still open to PVP, which doesn't seem right--I like being PVP-enabled, but I'd like the same bonuses other pilots get). I tried declaring at an Imperial station, but then the neutral station that sends you to Dath won't talk to you. I also tried launching while overt from the Imperial station in Endor, which will let me go to Kessel, but claims I don't have the prestige points to go to Deep Space despite my 12 million of them. I THEN tried killing Rebs until I'd earned 30K prestige while overt.. but again, no luck.
I can't think of anything else to try. Is there a way to get out to Deep Space and earn FP as a neutral, or do we still have this imbalance in our profession?
I can't think of anything else to try. Is there a way to get out to Deep Space and earn FP as a neutral, or do we still have this imbalance in our profession?
Message Edited by TomoRainer on 12-14-2004 01:31 AM
Rogue1970
Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:01 am
#2
First off - redeed your ship to reset your faction - annoying, but currently the only choice for freelance.
Second, go to Dath station and it will let you in Deep Space. Never bother with the Faction stations - they really shouldn't talk to you anyway.
If you are neutral on the ground you can pick your faction when you enter at the Dath Last Nav station. If Imp or Rebel on ground, that will be your only choice when you go into Deep Space (even tho it tells you you can pick). You will be overt.
After leaving, you will be stuck as the chosen faction until you redeed (known bug) as exiting Deep Space does not reset you.
darmokVtS
Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:18 am
#3
Don't see the problem. If you want that the full 'rules' for imperial Pilots apply to your character I suggest you become an imperial pilot and stop being some hired gun 
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.Message Edited by darmokVtS on 12-14-2004 04:25 PM
KaoticXzistence2
Tue Dec 14, 2004 2:50 pm
#4
darmokVtS wrote:
Don't see the problem. If you want that the full 'rules' for imperial Pilots apply to your character I suggest you become an imperial pilot and stop being some hired gun
Message Edited by darmokVtS on 12-14-2004 04:25 PM
The problem is, as a freelance rebelpilot, I am denied the ability to gain faction points in deep space, unlike a reb or imp pilot (I assume they can get faction points). Didn't Han Solo become a General in the Alliance while never flying anything but the Millenium Falcon. There is no reason a freelance pilot should not have the same ability to advance in faction like rebel or imperial pilots. And, as far as choosing sides when entering deep space, this does not allow you to get faction points. To get faction points, you must declare at a factioned space station, at which point the space station (manned by an imperial comm operator) will not allow you to use the space station to get into deep space. I'm suprised to find that Imperial freelancers cannot get into deep space as well and am curious as to what the comm operator tells you, since he tells me that he doesn't deal with rebels.
rexan
Tue Dec 14, 2004 3:26 pm
#5
darmokVtS wrote:
Don't see the problem. If you want that the full 'rules' for imperial Pilots apply to your character I suggest you become an imperial pilot and stop being some hired gun
Message Edited by darmokVtS on 12-14-2004 04:25 PM
As a freelance pilot, I can gain faction points when I go overt from the factional stations. Why would this same mechanic not apply to deep space. This must be a bug in the system.
And for your information, these are factional points. Remember, that ground based system? There is no reason why an overt freelance pilot should be treated any different from any other overt pilot.
Bulbous2
Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:01 pm
#6
I'm sorry, but this makes perfect sense. Neutrals should not get faction points. Faction points are for factioned players. Neutrals are not entitled to them by definition. If you want to fight for a side, then fight for a side.
KaoticXzistence2 wrote:
The problem is, as a freelance rebelpilot, I am denied the ability to gain faction points in deep space, unlike a reb or imp pilot (I assume they can get faction points).
Rogue1970
Wed Dec 15, 2004 2:07 am
#7
TomoRainer wrote:
Yes but you see, when we're in Deep Space, or flying around Endor while declared, we ARE fighting for a side. We're not Switzerland here, we're freelancers--we fly for who we want when we want, for whoever catches our fancy or pays best. In fact, when I'm a declared Imperial, it seems I've chosen a side more firmly than an Imperial pilot who remains covert. I'm running the real danger, anyway.. they may be doing the Empire's bidding, but I'm taking the initiative.
When I'm overt, how is it any different from when you're overt? How have I not chosen a side when I'm in Kessel killing every Rebel that pops up on my radar? Why do I not deserve faction points but you do?
I'd rather get paid more rather than get faction points we likely can't use (if ground neutral). 
We are mercenaries in a sense aren't we?
BUT, since you can ONLY declare as your GROUND Faction as a Freelance Pilot, you should get the same ground faction benefits of fighting the enemy when you are OVERT in space.
You should be earning faction if you are factioned on the ground. Neutrals on the ground SHOULD NOT earn faction in space, because they can pick to fight for either side overt in space whenever they feel like it.
KaoticXzistence2
Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:28 am
#8
You seem to be missing the point. I never asked to get points just for shooting down ties. I cannot declare in a way that allows me to get faction points while in deep space. I very much fight for a side. I am rebel on the ground and chose the rebel side going into deep space (though i don't have the imp option, why would i want it). I fly the freelance ships but I am far from being neutral and far from being unfactioned. I am a rebel pilot who aids rebel pilots by blowing up imperial ships in deep space, I just happen to do it from a Rihk. Once again, I will point out the fact that Han Solo became a Alliance General flying a YT. Denying us faction makes no sense.
Bulbous2 wrote:
I'm sorry, but this makes perfect sense. Neutrals should not get faction points. Faction points are for factioned players. Neutrals are not entitled to them by definition. If you want to fight for a side, then fight for a side.
KaoticXzistence2 wrote:
The problem is, as a freelance rebelpilot, I am denied the ability to gain faction points in deep space, unlike a reb or imp pilot (I assume they can get faction points).
KaoticXzistence2
Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:33 am
#9
I'd rather get paid more rather than get faction points we likely can't use (if ground neutral).
We are mercenaries in a sense aren't we?
BUT, since you can ONLY declare as your GROUND Faction as a Freelance Pilot, you should get the same ground faction benefits of fighting the enemy when you are OVERT in space.
You should be earning faction if you are factioned on the ground. Neutrals on the ground SHOULD NOT earn faction in space, because they can pick to fight for either side overt in space whenever they feel like it.
I think this actually makes perfect sense. My argument isn't for ground neutrals getting faction in space. But if we could get a bonus for faction why shouldn't ground neutrals get paid a little more when they pick a side. A little bonus from the faction they are helping out. As a freelance pilot who is also a rebel, I fight Imperials for a reason, a truly neutral pilot would fight against a faction for credits.
TomoRainer
Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:56 pm
#10
Yes but you see, when we're in Deep Space, or flying around Endor while declared, we ARE fighting for a side. We're not Switzerland here, we're freelancers--we fly for who we want when we want, for whoever catches our fancy or pays best. In fact, when I'm a declared Imperial, it seems I've chosen a side more firmly than an Imperial pilot who remains covert. I'm running the real danger, anyway.. they may be doing the Empire's bidding, but I'm taking the initiative.
When I'm overt, how is it any different from when you're overt? How have I not chosen a side when I'm in Kessel killing every Rebel that pops up on my radar? Why do I not deserve faction points but you do?
When I'm overt, how is it any different from when you're overt? How have I not chosen a side when I'm in Kessel killing every Rebel that pops up on my radar? Why do I not deserve faction points but you do?
Bulbous2
Sun Dec 19, 2004 9:47 pm
#11
KaoticXzistence2 wrote:
You seem to be missing the point. I never asked to get points just for shooting down ties. I cannot declare in a way that allows me to get faction points while in deep space. I very much fight for a side. I am rebel on the ground and chose the rebel side going into deep space (though i don't have the imp option, why would i want it). I fly the freelance ships but I am far from being neutral and far from being unfactioned. I am a rebel pilot who aids rebel pilots by blowing up imperial ships in deep space, I just happen to do it from a Rihk. Once again, I will point out the fact that Han Solo became a Alliance General flying a YT. Denying us faction makes no sense.
First of all, like many of my Alliance Pilot comrades, I have disdain for ground Rebels who chose not to be Rebel pilots. The fact that you can even participate in deep space at all is simply a game mechanic so you aren't completely excluded. Your allegiance to the Alliance is TEMPORARY. Faction points are permanent rewards. If you go into battle and choose to assist the Alliance, you are doing so as a privateer and not an Alliance pilot. Fighting for the Alliance is not your job, and you are not going to improve your standing and get promotions because of it. This is your penalty for not showing your full-time allegiance.
Han Solo did not earn his faction points as a Neutral. He joined the Alliance and attended the battle of Yavin IV, albeit somewhat late, in his modified YT.
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