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When I'm saying that my next ship will be a revolution, I'm not screwing around. I'm seriously trying to make this thing an unchallenged badass.

That being said, I did some grunt work tonight in lieu of loot collecting.

I had planned to attempt to see if it was feasible to automate my infamous "stagger fire" that has claimed so many pilots on Eclipse and earned me many a "how u do that" and "whats that weapon" /tells.

As of now, the effect is achieved by mating a .370 L8 with a .370 L6 and using two mousebuttons (or the 1&2 keys in railrunner situations to save my mouse hand more fatigue) to achieve the desired effect. Crude - but it works.

Tonight, I decided to see how best to automate this.

First candidate was my future L7 deathstick with a pre-RE refire rate of .309 (will be .296 post-RE), mated with a .409. This didn't work out too well, as both had similar firing effects.

Back to the storage vendor, picked out a different-effect .409 L10 (the Armek Elite Ion, since it has a distinctive effect).

Result of the .309+.409 - a "4:4" effect - 4 seconds of sync for every 4 seconds of variable stagger (with the beam seemingly "tracing" its way backward towards the primary weapon's effect). I had EXPECTED somewhat better results, so...

...I decided, rather than trying to go HIGHER up the refire chain (as it's very difficult to make an L8 with higher than .41x unless you're *really* trying), to go LOWER, and picked out a .390 pre-RE refire L6 from my stocks with a nice red beam to it to facilitate finding it amongst the ostentatious white puffballs the .309 KX8 was spitting out.

Result of the .309+.390 - a "3:5" effect - 3 seconds of sync for every 5 seconds of variable stagger.

Preliminary hypotheses:

1) It's impossible to perfectly automate weapons of different refires, yet entirely possible to achieve a partial-stagger effect the closer to .000, yet diminishing returns will kick in somewhere around .5.
2) Similar refire weapons CAN be perfectly staggered, but only manually, and after careful practice to get the timings down.
3) PARTIAL staggering is possible, leading from a 4 second partial with a .100 difference and a ~5 second partial with a .81 difference. However, since a .000 difference would be completely synced fire, thereby negating the goal of an *automated* stagger effect.

Potential solutions (pre-RE):

1) Mate the .309 with a .35x (my second-lowest) to see what the effect would be down around a .41 difference. Using the above logic, if a .100 gave 4:4, a .8x gave 3:5, a .6x should give 2:6, a .4x should give 1:8, and any point beyond that should essentially be tweaking the laws of diminishing returns as the numbers approach 1:1. 1:8 would definitely be a viable ratio. Also, a .35x L8 is POSSIBLE (as .36x L8s existed), yet highly out-of-the-ordinary.

Potential solutions (post-RE):

1. Multiple weapon loadouts:
- L8/L6 (albeit modestly upgraded from previous loadout)
- L8/L7 (which as stated above would obviously be a real pain in the ass to automate)
- L7/L7 (and good luck to me in finding another .29x-capable L7 in short order)
- L7/L6 (nice idea for a post-WO3 nerf loadout)

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I'm interested to hear other's opinions/thoughts/postulations - I know my little experiments weren't really backed up with mathematics, but I'm not gonna warez Mathematica and learn Euclidian geometry to figure out how to do this.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 08-06-2005 07:33 AM

Correction, it's IMPOSSIBLE to RE a .41x L8, unless you don't use a Borstel/Incom in it.

The .420/.425s typical of the rewards give refires of .399/.40375, respectively.

I've always preferred stagger fire

go into your keymaps. bind left mouse button to weapon group 1, right mouse button to weapon group 2. Then assign one gun to group one, the other gun to group 2, and then with some practice you can get 'em to fire at the right times to give the illusion that you're firing ultra fast

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JediNg wrote:
go into your keymaps. bind left mouse button to weapon group 1, right mouse button to weapon group 2. Then assign one gun to group one, the other gun to group 2, and then with some practice you can get 'em to fire at the right times to give the illusion that you're firing ultra fast

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Wow, and here I thought explaining that I already had MANUAL staggerfire down would've been enough.

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KaylBreinhar wrote:

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JediNg wrote:
go into your keymaps. bind left mouse button to weapon group 1, right mouse button to weapon group 2. Then assign one gun to group one, the other gun to group 2, and then with some practice you can get 'em to fire at the right times to give the illusion that you're firing ultra fast

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Wow, and here I thought explaining that I already had MANUAL staggerfire down would've been enough.

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hmm? hehe

I know it's literally impossible to COMPLETELY automate the process - I'm merely trying to find the ideal timings to create a setup that will seem to fire in a "variable wave" effect, minimizing the total amount of time the two weapons are synced together whilst maximizing the time that they're in a semi-to-ideally-staggered fire mode.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 08-06-2005 07:42 AM

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KaylBreinhar wrote:
I know it's literally impossible to COMPLETELY automate the process - I'm merely trying to find the ideal timings to create a setup that will seem to fire in a "variable wave" effect, minimizing the total amount of time the two weapons are synced together whilst maximizing the time that they're in a semi-to-ideally-staggered fire mode.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 08-06-2005 07:42 AM

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Ah. I wrote that message thinking someone asked how to do it, or something lol. Not thinking straight atm :/

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stillnotforgotten wrote:

it is not completely impossible but would require 3rd party software which we allknow getsus banned, yeah tellthat to the hologrind afk crafters.

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Yeah, like I'd want something in the background eating up my CPU cycles as I try to pop-roll over to centerline someone in DS. Yeah. Sure.