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Thread: confused about damage
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Zaax
Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:12 pm
#1
4433rebpilot
i have np doing most anything and until now i more or less soloed all my misssions.
Last night i went to help a freind do his T3 mission and i ran into a spawn of T4 agressers.
great i said, il take them, thinking of my overcharged cap reactor and wepaons and this:
what i had done, was remove my armor (a silly thing i guess) and added my (self done with alt) re'd lvl 8 reward shield (2555 F/B and about 29k mass, 14.x recharge) , thinking that would be enough. i mean i had soloed some T5's with my old lvl 7 stuff about 1600 F/B and armor only about 600-900. so this was stronger i assumed.
Anyway i was happily dispaching the agresser, and as my shields seemed to be doign fine, and i didNOT see it go down at all, i jsut kept plinking away.
By the timei realized that i was taking damage, i was dead in the water and a few secs later - dead.
1. i spose that if a shot is higher than my shield, its as if my shield is NOT THERE at all? and it goes right through it. is this correct?
2. did i just have a bug and did not see the damage my shields were takeing?
3. armor MORE or rather AS important as shields? so i shoudl use lower shields and armor, instead of jsut more powerfull shields?
i realize that once shots get through my shields, what ever it hits will take damage, i just thought, as soon as i see my shield getting low, ill boost out of there, if need arises... But i did not SEE it get lower.
if there is a link (didnt see in faq) plz add it here, that explains this.
Ezis
Sun Feb 06, 2005 11:38 pm
#2
I would guess that as you were taking damage, your shields got bugged and decided not to show you they were taking dmg. If you knew you were getting shot, and the shields weren't taking any damage, it's definitely a bug. Armor is only important if anything gets through your shields. If you have no armor, you have nothing preventing the disabling of your components, and in the case of a shield bug like that, the armor is about the only sign that your shield is gone.
I ran into this issue myself and /bugged it. I then put some of the lowest mass, lowest armor I could find on my ship, so I could see if I was taking any dmg whatsoeve. I bugged out again, and this was the only way I could tell whether or not anything got through my shields.
From what I've noticed, if you're firing one gun, and there's any shields left, the bolt from the blaster will strike the shield and that's it. If you're firing 2 guns, one will hit the shields, the other will go through, but this was when JTL first launched, things may have changed slightly. All I know is that in my Oppressor, anything tier 2 or lower is a one shot kill, and anything above that will puncture shields and hit armor when sufficient damage has been done.
Ezis
Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:40 am
#3
Nothing will hit you until that section of shielding is down. If you only have 60% shields, 40% taken from the front, nothing can hit you in the front until the last 10% is taken away.
TomoRainer
Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:43 am
#4
Nothing can hit your components till your shields are down on that side, so this sounds like a display bug or something. Those Aggressors are probably the nastiest NPCs around, though, so I wouldn't rule out the possibility they just did a lot of damage in a short amount of time. (Though after rereading your post, that seems highly unlikely, what with your shields being so beefy.)
With 3.4K mass left you can definitely squeeze in a couple pieces of armor to give yourself a test buffer. In fact, I'd say you could probably fit in a HP-reinforced level 1 (900-950 mass) and a reinforced level 3 (2.4-2.5K) with a few points to spare.
With 3.4K mass left you can definitely squeeze in a couple pieces of armor to give yourself a test buffer. In fact, I'd say you could probably fit in a HP-reinforced level 1 (900-950 mass) and a reinforced level 3 (2.4-2.5K) with a few points to spare.
Message Edited by TomoRainer on 02-07-2005 03:46 AM
Zilod
Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:05 am
#5
aggressor are quite nasty, for what you say it can be a display bug, but there is also another option...
the tail turret of theaggressor is quite damaging and have a good precision, but also it's cone of fire is quite small...
maybein the first part of the combat, when you engaged them, you had apositional advantage and they where not able to lock you with the rear turret but just shoting with forward guns and occasionaly with the turret...
during the dogfight it was possible that you entered in the turret cone of fire of 2-3 aggressors that where able to keep a good lock on you and to destroy your shields in some secs.
Zaax
Mon Feb 07, 2005 1:40 pm
#6
cool ty good idea,
i have like 3.4k mass left ill so craft some lower lvl armor, maybe with mass upgrade , just to be able to see any hit going through my shield.
ill try it again and /bug it , if my shields dont show damage.
In any case, i am still not sure, CAN an enemy hit your armor-compnents, if your shield is still up?
i know when i attack an NPC, i dont start damaging armor or components, till the shild is down (or at least 50% i.e. the side i am hitting him on, is down).
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