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Thread: Deep Space was acting wierd...
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Salco
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:01 pm
#1
I don't know what was up with it. Deep Space on Ahazi was completely fubar. The TIEs were jinking around in an impossible manner, and the hit box for the ships had shrunk to a miniscule size, so that actually landing a hit was next to impossible. Anyone else experiencing this? If not, I'm just going to assume I was having lag or something.
dimmu-borgir
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:07 pm
#2
im assuming you mean that ships were erratically moving around, if your talking about what i think you are, this is referred to as the drunken bumblebee effect, the're should be threads on preventing it on the forums here
Rhu
Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:10 pm
#3
Salco wrote:
I don't know what was up with it. Deep Space on Ahazi was completely fubar. The TIEs were jinking around in an impossible manner, and the hit box for the ships had shrunk to a miniscule size, so that actually landing a hit was next to impossible. Anyone else experiencing this? If not, I'm just going to assume I was having lag or something.
Sheesh. You've gotten all the way to deepspace and never suffered an attack of the Drunken Bees?
Most theories on this phenomenon (and some of the apparent-invulerability buggy behaviors) are caused by poor client/host syncrhonization... and subsequent resyncs getting out of sync. The obvious solution would be to call in the experts in this matter to solve your problems.
Sar-larid
Tue Jul 12, 2005 4:10 pm
#6
Rhu wrote:
Sheesh. You've gotten all the way to deepspace and never suffered an attack of the Drunken Bees?
Been through all 9 squadrons on one character(repeats on others in addition to that) and probably spent more time in space than anyone else.
What are the druken bees I keep hearing about?
Rhu
Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:39 pm
#9
I'm surprised. I seem to get problems with the drunken bees once a day... but then communications errors are to be expected when you are... uhm... 'sharing' an Internet connection with someone you don't know.
But enough about me and my potential future legal troubles--drunken bee behavior is this.
Let's say you are cruising along behind a ship, merrily blasting away at it, when it starts jittering. It might shift anywhere between 5-20 meters vertically or laterally without turning and changing direction. You, as a dutiful pilot, change your course to blast the ship but as you start turning, it makes another 5-20 meter shift in a random direction. Finally, it appears to stop its insane movement and you are about 20 meters behind its engine when it lands a hit on your backside. And it jumps so it is sitting right above your cockpit for a split second before shifting in position over to your wing. And then it slides to being just off your other wing, leaving you to sigh and just fly straight for a minute to consider your options.
After ten seconds or so of flying straight you decide to turn around and face the mass of fighters coming towards you. All of them are making impossible vertical or lateral slides simultaneously and none of them in the same direction. They look like a swarm of confused insects and you can only scorea hit on them if you have a very wide spread on your blasters and/or are also very lucky.
Eventually the bees will sober up, though it may take some excessive rubberbanding through an asteroid feild or around a space station for this to happen. Or it may just take time.
I'm picturing this whole thing as a discussion between the client and the server along the lines of this:
"The hidden daggers A-Wing is... right there. You got that?"
"But I thought he was... oh, heck. Fine... If he was there when you said that, I guess he'll be... at this spot now?"
"No, sorry. He's actually at this new spot."
"Crap. Okay, so by now he should be..."
"He took a turn about .4 seconds ago? What are you on? He should be at this spot."
"Listen! I'm trying here... Lemme think, so..."
Somewhere inbetween portions of the conversation, the graphics engine is smoothly sliding the ships between where the client thinks they should be, and where the server says they were. And around and around the ships sway... It would be hypnotic, were it not also seemingly random.
Salco
Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:28 am
#10
This wasn't drunken bee; I've had that before (although never on this computer). The ships were flying in a normal pattern, but they were "jinking". For those of you who don't know, that is a fighter pilot term referring to the very slight movement of an aircraft from left to right, up and down, in a manner that makes you have to constantly shift your aim in order to land a hit. The TIEs were doing this in a natural manner, no where near drunken bee. But they had a tiny, tiny hit box, and they were pulling maneuvers I hadn't seen them try before. Was over all very odd, and nearly impossible...nearly.
EDIT: Yeah, I said "impossible" in my original post, but I was PO'd. It wasn't impossible, just very unusual.
EDIT: Yeah, I said "impossible" in my original post, but I was PO'd. It wasn't impossible, just very unusual.
Message Edited by Salco on 07-13-2005 08:28 AM
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