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I believe we need to be very careful here. If we start to limit this ship then limit that ship we are going to end up with PvP event where the only participantsinvolved are:Tilca, Raja, Browen, Invertigo and Myself. That would be fun, But not as fun as having 25 Ships from each faction show up. The fact of the matter is. if you start limiting what you can bring and what you can't you are going to irritate people. And they aren't going to want to deal with the Hassle of it. The ONLY ship I really agree with banning is the IGT, I don't know whether it's bugged or not, I've dueled several IGT'sand never had a problem hitting it. but there seems to be a concern. as for the rest of them. use'em if ya got'em.

either side will always feel that things are un-balanced. Especially the side that has lost... I agree not to use the IGT. Everything else is free game.

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Centra28 wrote:

My name is Tilca from the Lowca galaxy. We have been working hard on lowca to increase the action in the space game. Thanks to an individual Raja, and many other excited pilots we have succeeded at a tremendous rate. The space awareness and action has grown exponentially. We now hold events quite frequently, and they are well attended. We are starting to venture out to new ideas, such as: Tournaments, roll playing events, kill contests with prizes, non ace event nights...and so on.

Things have been going great, but the complaints of certain ships are increasing. Im afraid this will send us in the wrong direction.

We originally started by discouraging the JSF, B-22, and RGI

After an extremely unbalanced first event, we banned the 3 ships completely with few complaints.

We had a few problems with POB ships, so we naturally discouraged them, but did not ban them

Then we had a point brought up about how one side having to sacrifice 3 ships, as aposed the other side only having to sacrifice one.

The concerns brought up points about the HEAVY X-WING having too much mass with the same turning ratio of a normal X-WING, and the ARC-170 being unbalanced the same.

So the heavy x's and arcs will now be banned

Along that same point, the Vaksai was brought up, and was generally felt to have fit in the same category as the heavy-x and arc-170. So they will be banned as well.

Naturally the conversation about the heavy x being in question brought up the TIE OPRESSOR - which i knew it would eventually.

That puts us where we are now. I dont want to see our new found space game turn into the ground game. There have been no arguments so far. Perhaps i am worrying too much. However:

So my question is: Has anyone else in any other servers had the same arguments. If so, what have u done to settle them. I would like some insights on how other servers run they're space pvp/space pvp events.

Is there any absolute solution, or has the ROTW expansion ruined the space game?

Tilca

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Whoa!!! We can fly in space? Ok, lol i'm kidding... On Sunrunner I haven't ever heard of a space event besides guildies flying missions. Never ever ever heard of pvp taking place even though it can(which is really sad). Props to you and getting the event off the ground.

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CityHall wrote:
Howdy Tilca.

As far as the TIE/Opp. goes I say leave it, there are ways around it.
*edit: I think the third missle tube is a little much but that is a very minor thing*

To others out there who said the heavys are unbalanced... well I disagree on the stance that all 3 are identical it doesn't get more balanced.

The way I see it for a restricted PvP event:

JTL ships may stay.

Asteroid Heavys can all stay.

The JSF, Bell-22 and the ARC-170 are restricted.

The Advanced X-Wing, Vaski, and RGI should be left out (untill the RGI fix and then maybe still, if the A. X-Wing is still a bone of contention)

This way all simular ships are restricted/allowed in a fair way.

But if you want to fly unrestricted once in a while, I will go get my Advanced X-Wing you go get your JSF/RGI and we will see who is more overpowered. (I think this might be a better "for fun" event rather than a highly structured event... not that structure isn't fun.)

Message Edited by CityHall on 10-01-2005 10:14 PM

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Using you rationale that the Asteroid Heavies are the same (different hitboxes and profiles btw) and therefore should be allowed, one could easily argue that the Actis and Bel-22 are the same (different hitboxes and profiles) and should be allowed also.

Really, what is the difference between a TIE heavy and a B-22? Slightly, slightly different hitbox and profile, and the TIE has a bit more mass (correct me if im wrong, im assuming its the same as the Z-95 and scyk) and the Bel-22 has an extra weapon slot. Sounds like these 2 chassis are rather balanced in relation to each other.

I'm not trying to hijack this thread, but in order to fully include the Lowca pilots in the ship selection debate, and to keep the pilot forum from devolving into a discussion of Lowca-specific issues, I've created this thread on the Lowca server forum where Lowca pilots can chime in.



I think that getting input from the whole pilot community remains a good idea, I just want to make sure there's an inclusive and specific thread focused on which ships we allow in our events.

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JoceSearar wrote:


Using you rationale that the Asteroid Heavies are the same (different hitboxes and profiles btw) and therefore should be allowed, one could easily argue that the Actis and Bel-22 are the same (different hitboxes and profiles) and should be allowed also.

Really, what is the difference between a TIE heavy and a B-22? Slightly, slightly different hitbox and profile, and the TIE has a bit more mass (correct me if im wrong, im assuming its the same as the Z-95 and scyk) and the Bel-22 has an extra weapon slot. Sounds like these 2 chassis are rather balanced in relation to each other.

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They're not. The tie is much larger. I have enough fights against both of them to say so definitively.

The high mass variants are balanced in relation to each other and to the JtL field. The Bel and JSF are balanced in relation to each other, but not to the JtL field.

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Raja_Asenn wrote:

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JoceSearar wrote:


Using you rationale that the Asteroid Heavies are the same (different hitboxes and profiles btw) and therefore should be allowed, one could easily argue that the Actis and Bel-22 are the same (different hitboxes and profiles) and should be allowed also.

Really, what is the difference between a TIE heavy and a B-22? Slightly, slightly different hitbox and profile, and the TIE has a bit more mass (correct me if im wrong, im assuming its the same as the Z-95 and scyk) and the Bel-22 has an extra weapon slot. Sounds like these 2 chassis are rather balanced in relation to each other.

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They're not. The tie is much larger. I have enough fights against both of them to say so definitively.

The high mass variants are balanced in relation to each other and to the JtL field. The Bel and JSF are balanced in relation to each other, but not to the JtL field.

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On top of that the Bell-22 and JSF turn much much faster.

Edit: By the way, I think the whole point of banning certan chassis was to prevent them from becoming the only ones used if you can fly your JSF why fly anything else?

Message Edited by CityHall on 10-02-2005 07:01 AM

Message Edited by CityHall on 10-02-2005 07:04 AM

Why ban the ARC, are some servers seeing problems with these? They don't strike me as a PvP monster. I do agree they have too much speed for their mass, but they still don't have a great deal of handling, and most of the firepower is centered in the guns.

There may be a little "If we can't have this, you can't have that" going on in regards to the ARC but I can't speak for everyone on my server.