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Thread: Petition: additional original POB weapon port

mskroch
Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:40 am
#1

So I was flying in my YT-1300 last night and realized that many of the new ships all have more weapon ports than the original three POB ships. Then I started to wonder why? If ships like the Krayt, Y-8, and ARC can have three/four weapon ports why can't the original three be modified. I would much rather use my YT-1300 with a pilot controlled weapon port.


I know this post/debate was up for a while. But with the introduction of new ships that seem to play the same role I wonder why we can't see these original ships modified.


So, /agree?


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ShinyJedi
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:17 am
#2



/disagree



Even Han Solo couldn't use his YT solo. He needed his first mate, Chewie, and he and Luke each manning a gun.


If you make YT single-person flyable, it would also unbalance space totally. You'd see 200 YTs out there.


No thanks.



N



PS. The Y-8 is useless without gunners, and, according to many privateers, so is the Krayt.

Message Edited by ShinyJedi on 06-07-2005 10:23 AM



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JanuHull
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:26 am
#3

The weapons on the Falcon could be set up to fire in the forward arc from the cockpit. There were no gunners in the Empire Strikes back, yet it was able to fire. With a single pilot, simply allow the pilot to set the turrets to a mode which allows forward only fire when unmanned.


For nothing more than practicality's sake, some limited solo function should be allowed. Repairs and droid commands would still require someone else, but basic ship function shouldn't be impaired.





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mskroch
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:32 am
#4


I guess my point is to make them comprable to the Y-8. Not necessarily a solo ship, but take advantage of the bigger ship with more hardpoints.



I agree that a crew would be need to be optimized and even if a 3rd pilot weapon hardpoint was added we wouldn't see 200 YT-1300s out there. They need a crew to be effective and take advantage of being able to repair while in space. Adding the 3rd slot just keeps the original POB on par with the new Y-8. Unless the Y-8 is supposed to be a more effective ship than any of the original POB ships.







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ShinyJedi
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:33 am
#5

You sure about that in Empire Strikes Back? In many instances, Chewie was piloting and Han was gunning.


I <3 Chewie.


N





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ajag
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:38 am
#6






ShinyJedi wrote:



/disagree



Even Han Solo couldn't use his YT solo. He needed his first mate, Chewie, and he and Luke each manning a gun.


If you make YT single-person flyable, it would also unbalance space totally. You'd see 200 YTs out there.


No thanks.



N



PS. The Y-8 is useless without gunners, and, according to many privateers, so is the Krayt.


Message Edited by ShinyJedi on 06-07-200510:23 AM






The pilot of the millenium falcon could shoot a forward mounted gun as seen in the return of the jedi when it was used to destroy the death star.


The krayt does not need a gunner to be effective. If any privateer told you the opposite they never used one or are completely useless themselves. You would never see 200 YTs out there because they are a huge target so if you use them solo you are messed up. Giving an extra gun to the pilot would just make things more fun for them.



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Yalton
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:38 am
#7



ShinyJedi wrote:

/disagree

Even Han Solo couldn't use his YT solo. He needed his first mate, Chewie, and he and Luke each manning a gun.

If you make YT single-person flyable, it would also unbalance space totally. You'd see 200 YTs out there.

No thanks.

N



I agree. The PoB ships are supposed to be group ships. They aren't supposed to be single player ships.

PS. The Y-8 is useless without gunners, and, according to many privateers, so is the Krayt.

Message Edited by ShinyJedi on 06-07-2005 10:23 AM





The Y-8 is worthless in general.

The krayte is worthless to those that can't fly.

I love my krayte and I can out fly a lot of other people in there lighter fighters. I can always tell teh new A wing pilots in Deep Space. They keep coming back to try and kill me and I keep stop killing the NPCs to make more palyer A wing scrap.

I would like to see 2 more gun ports. One more on each turret and another capacitor would be great but if you have a good capacitor overloaded you won't need another capacitor. Realy a waste that my level 10 Cap has so much energy and a recharge of 55 and it only fits in my YT wel... But my level 4 with 1k energy, a 40 recharge and mass under 5k goes in the krayte. Lets me have the big guns....
Sylia
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:45 am
#8

I'd rather see multiple weapons on the current turret mounts.


I mean these are 4 barrel turbo lasers right?


Why do they only fire a single blast as weak as a fighter?



That said my PoB's sit and rot in the hanger.


A) My fighters can equip weapons just as good.


B) I have yet to find a shield that tops my current fighter shield, PoB only or otherwise.


C) My fighters bring more overall firepower to bear than any of the PoB's can.


D) My fighters don't require a bunch of people along for the ride, and don't risk 5 or so deaths if it comes to that.


Basically the ONLY advantage my PoB's have over my fighters is armor.



ajag
Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:54 am
#9






Sylia wrote:

Basically the ONLY advantage my PoB's have over my fighters is armor.








Which is still useless taking in consideration the damage a single fighter can make in a very short time



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Washell
Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:12 am
#10






ajag wrote:



The pilot of the millenium falcon could shoot a forward mounted gun as seen in the return of the jedi when it was used to destroy the death star.





According to a debate we had some weeks ago, those were concussion missiles. This argument was backed by close examinations of the movie showing the shots came from the location of the missile tubes. It's still generally agreed upon that the falcons turrets can be set toa forward fire mode. But we don't fly the heavily modified falcon, we fly the YT-1300.


My standpoint is very simple, they are multiplayer ships, so they require multiple players to fly. If you want to solo in it, go rebel, load up some missile tubes and use the in-space replenishment pilot ability to reload.

mskroch
Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:46 am
#11

I agree with you. However, what is the point in flying the original three POB ships with the Y-8 now available? Why haven't the original three been modified to keep up with it?



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Knightcrest
Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:02 am
#12






Washell wrote:





ajag wrote:



The pilot of the millenium falcon could shoot a forward mounted gun as seen in the return of the jedi when it was used to destroy the death star.





According to a debate we had some weeks ago, those were concussion missiles. This argument was backed by close examinations of the movie showing the shots came from the location of the missile tubes. It's still generally agreed upon that the falcons turrets can be set toa forward fire mode. But we don't fly the heavily modified falcon, we fly the YT-1300.


My standpoint is very simple, they are multiplayer ships, so they require multiple players to fly. If you want to solo in it, go rebel, load up some missile tubes and use the in-space replenishment pilot ability to reload.






You are right about the concussion missles, but I still see no issue having a forward mounted gun slot for the YT to give the pilot a little more interaction.. especially due to fact that it is short one ordnance slot of it's equivalent factioned ships. Just gives the pilot another option in combat if he wanted to make use of them. Yet they will still require multiple players to be effective. This though is beating a dead horse.


Oh and unless things have changed. You can't use in-space replenishment. You get a system message stating that your craft is too large... unless that has changed in the past few months since I was a rebel ace.



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Ilyrana
Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:16 am
#13






mskroch wrote:


I guess my point is to make them comprable to the Y-8. Not necessarily a solo ship, but take advantage of the bigger ship with more hardpoints.



I agree that a crew would be need to be optimized and even if a 3rd pilot weapon hardpoint was added we wouldn't see 200 YT-1300s out there. They need a crew to be effective and take advantage of being able to repair while in space. Adding the 3rd slot just keeps the original POB on par with the new Y-8. Unless the Y-8 is supposed to be a more effective ship than any of the original POB ships.










teh Y-8 is suposed to be for MINING not space combat.



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