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Thread: -40 Combat Speed Debuff Unbalanced? Hard Numbers Inside.
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Ternque01
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:28 pm
#1
INTRODUCTION
The purpose of this test was to determine the effects of the -40 combat speed debuff possessed by Combat Medics, Pikemen, and Smugglers. Additionally, the test was run to determine, if indeed, that the amount of the debuff can be seen as unbalancing to the game.
PROCEDURE
The test was run on a Jedi player who was capable of Force Speed 1. This buff grants a +10 combat speed bonus. Tests were run with both Force Speed 1 on and off. The duration of the tests was 1 minute each.
RESULTS
Test 1.a) Test subject has Force Speed 1 off, and no debuff is applied to the subject. Saber hit is set to auto attack. Recorded below are the timestamps from the hits, which also include the misses.
23:22:17
23:22:20
23:22:24
23:22:28
23:22:33
23:22:37
23:22:39
23:22:43
23:22:48
23:22:51
23:22:55
23:22:58
23:23:02
23:23:06
23:23:10
23:23:15
Total: 16 attacks
Test 1.b) Test subject has Force Speed off, and a -40 attack speeddebuff is applied to the subject. Saber hit is set to auto attack. Recorded below are the timestamps from the hits, which also include the misses.
23:23:44
23:23:50
23:23:55
23:24:01
23:24:05
23:24:09
23:24:14
23:24:20
23:24:25
23:24:30
23:24:35
23:24:41
Total: 12 attacks
Test 2.a) Test subject has Force Speed 1 on, and no debuff is applied to the subject. Saber hit is set to auto attack. Recorded below are the timestamps from the hits, which also include the misses.
23:16:54
23:16:57
23:17:01
23:17:04
23:17:08
23:17:11
23:17:15
23:17:18
23:17:22
23:17:25
23:17:28
23:17:32
23:17:36
23:17:39
23:17:43
23:17:45
23:17:49
23:17:53
Total: 18 attacks
Test 2.b) Test subject has Force Speed 1 on, anda -40 combat speeddebuff is applied to the subject. Saber hit is set to auto attack. Recorded below are the timestamps from the hits, which also include the misses.
23:19:15
23:19:19
23:19:24
23:19:29
23:19:34
23:19:39
23:19:44
23:19:49
23:19:54
23:19:59
23:20:04
23:20:09
23:20:14
Total: 13 attacks
ANALYSIS
For Test 1, the percentage difference in the hits was 100% - 12/16 = 100% - 75% = 25%.
For Test 2, the percentage difference in the hits was 100% - 13/18 = 100% - 72.2% = 27.8%
Average of the two percentages: (25% + 27.8%)/2 = 26.4%
DISCUSSION
The final result of 26.4% decrease in aplayer's attack speed matches earlier data taken using piket and huurton test subjects, which indicated a little over 25% difference as well. The matchup between NPC and PC numbers is encouraging.
The discrepancy between the 25% and 27.8% debuff could easily be attributed to the restricted length of the testing period, i.e. if the testing were to be conducted over 4 mins a test, one would expect the results to match better. Of course, since this was only a one-minute test, it isn't easily determined by the timestamps.
Overall, a general feel for the actual effects of a -40 combat speed debuff on a player target, especially one capable of buffing their own attack speed, is allowed by using only a one minute testing period.
CONCLUSION
A 26.4% decrease in a target's attack speed in well within balanced parameters for a debuff attack.It is in no danger of disrupting game balance.
Roswell
Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:55 pm
#2
Very well done, I applaud your research.
Message Edited by Roswell on 08-12-2005 10:55 PM
Wombatula
Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:02 pm
#3
I'm not entirely sure what this is in response to, I've yet to hear anyone complain that it is unbalancing.
But well set up, and good research!
Acaila
Sat Aug 13, 2005 12:23 pm
#4
Wombatula wrote:I'm not entirely sure what this is in response to, I've yet to hear anyone complain that it is unbalancing.
But well set up, and good research!
Try taking a peek at the Combat Medic forums where every Jedi whines they should get nerfed, along with everyone else who has a combat speed debuff. But I agree, this test shows that it is in no way unbalancing. It's a debuff that has to be applied in battle, weaken it's effect and it becomes useless.
Well done Ternque01.
Secured
Sat Aug 13, 2005 3:07 pm
#5
Excellent work man. The only nerf I see coming from all the whiningwould be reducing the time on the CM speed debuff.
WNxDoobie
Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:26 pm
#6
NO COMPRENDO!!!!! lmao, some 1 whining about the warcry? hell i think its great cuz then i can atleast balance my speed buff gettin screwed a tiny bit
Gunman21
Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:53 pm
#7
I don't think there was ever a question of if it was balanced or not...even stacking thyroid rupture + warcry doesn't seem too unbalancing, given that you can up your speed with doc buffs, force speed, etc.
But this is some good work and good to have some numbers 
mk86
Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:54 pm
#8
that was an awesome experiment.
very nice dude.
and thanks for the info
Sanguinar -Light Elder Jedi
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