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Thread: Pikeman Woes Lie Within the Crafting of Composite armor

f33d84ck
Mon May 10, 2004 3:03 pm
#1

Well, not entirely, but it negates one of the weapons, the Vibro Lance.

Just a little background into crafting of armor for those that dont know.

Ubese Armor: Special protection Kinetic
- Not able to experiment on base effectiveness and increase kinetic at the same time. It's either High Kinetic, or High base effectiveness, not both

Padded Armor: Special Protection Blast
- Not able to experiment on base effectiveness and increase blast at the same time. It's either High blast, or High base effectiveness, not both

R.I.S. Armor: Special Protection Kinetic
- Not able to experiment on base effectiveness and increase kinetic at the same time. It's either High Kinetic, or High base effectiveness, not both. (but you can get both high if you use the right materials and amazing loots)

Composite Armor: Special Protection Electricity
-When experimenting on base effectiveness the special protection increases along side it. You dont have to choose. You are able increase electrical higher than base %, with the cap being at 80%, without having to waste experimentation points. If Composite armor were similar to every other suit of armor that is widely used, the armorsmith would have to choose, "should I increase electricity? or base effectiveness."

Right now, Composite armor is easy as heck to craft cause you just stun layer it and stick everything into Base Effectiveness and dont have to worry about special protection experimentation points, because the Electrical resistance is so high. I think with a fix of composite to the same crafting as other armor, things would be much different for many pikeman.

(I dont have too much experience with Tantel, Chitin, or Mabari, but they are similar, with tantel having no vulnerabilities.)



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signal1941
Tue May 11, 2004 1:14 am
#2

nice post



Takro Kest
chupascabras
Tue May 11, 2004 3:19 am
#3

yep... good info
actenigma
Wed May 12, 2004 12:08 am
#4

I almost always see composite with special protection against Kinetic and Electricity. Thus nulling all of our weaopns (except the NSEL, but that doesn't count). But its still fun to duel people in ubese with a vibro lance



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Dynastar
Wed May 12, 2004 12:14 am
#5



actenigma wrote:
I almost always see composite with special protection against Kinetic and Electricity. Thus nulling all of our weaopns (except the NSEL, but that doesn't count). But its still fun to duel people in ubese with a vibro lance




Its often the people in kinetic composite who complain about Rifleman and Fencers too. Buy stun protection, idiots.



Ramsey Logan
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f33d84ck
Wed May 12, 2004 7:26 am
#6

Now, this isn't the entire reason Pikeman is difficult to use without DOT weapons, but it doesn't help at all.


You can stick anything into special protection by adding layers. Thats why you see 80% kinetic special protection a lot of the time. The best way is obviously to add stun protection for pvp purposes.


The main thing is, the elctricity protection should not be as high as it is currently. If composite worked like the rest of the suits of armor, it would be right around 67% base, 25% stun, and about 35-40% electricity. Electricity should not be up at 78% when the armorsmith experiments on Base %.





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Jereck
Wed May 12, 2004 7:44 am
#7

While i'm not totally adverse to the basic principle of your arguement there is still something i'd like to mention. We all know comp is geared toward protecting electricity, its the armors basic non-layered special protection. Its also heavier than any other type of armor. Its impossible in most cases (i say most even though i've never seen anyone do it an still have positive secondaries unbuffed)to wear tripple layered comp, while that doesn't matterwhen taking in account electricalprotection it really matters against LVAs. Most masters i associate with in game only use dmg sliced LVAs unless its a looted dot lance.

This just doesn't seem like a armor crafting problem, comp is supposed to be the best overall armor and its not done so explicitly at our expense. TKM face the same problem, infact they're in a worse spot, they only do kinetic, we can do kinetic and electrical, although both are negated by decent comp. That makes it a dmg type problem, thats why everyone around here is calling for a new dmg type like swordsman's blast dmg. Changing the way comp is made is nerfign everyone instead of empowering us, and frankly, i don't care to have my armor become less effective when my combat effectiveness can be fixed with a newor different dmg type.



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Jereck
Wed May 12, 2004 7:47 am
#8


my edit thingy is screwed.....


I'll add that we are alsoin need a new dmg type for high end content like the NS stronghold, currently we can't touch some the most powerful NPC's ingame becuase of this. A more simple sollution is a new dmg type plain and simple.


haha, i can edit this post but not the other? gg forum bug

Message Edited by Jereck on 05-12-2004 07:48 AM



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