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Thread: Pikeman VS Swordsman

1misanthrope1
Fri Aug 22, 2003 4:08 pm
#1

I was browsing for a new sword and decided to look at the long vibro axe. This thing had better stats than a curved 2 handed, was cheaper, and did not require novice Pikeman to use it. I really hope that they bring some better weapons to our profession as I am feeling useless right now.



Misanthrope

Nagorak
Fri Aug 22, 2003 6:39 pm
#2

It's not that simple...but the LVA is nice. I think you're talking about the Power Hammer though, not the Curved, since PH is what needs Novice Swordsman. Go Pikeman if you want, it's actually a cool profession. PH is being increased in the next big patch.
MrTokai
Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:13 am
#3

can you tell me where u heard about the PH boost, nag?
MrTokai
Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:17 am
#4

nvm found it =)
Wise_Old_Jedi
Sat Aug 23, 2003 11:07 am
#5

I read they are working on actually adding swords to the swordsman line, dunno when they'll do that though. Anyway right now Pikeman is better than Swords for the simple reason Pike has a knockdown. You can stack 4-5 knockdowns on a creature using a low end weapon like a combat staff, then switch out to LVA or VLance and beat up on the creature while its down. Then switch back to combat staff to stack more knockdowns.

Doing this over and over you should be able to kill something even with 10k HAM, although admittedly that will take awhile. My favorite to kill is a Swamp Humbaba, as they are worth 1400ish xp and die pretty fast. Savages are good too but group aggro.

Droidekas on Lok are also good but they run so much and there is so much other aggro there its not as consistent as other mobs can be.
Nagorak
Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:16 pm
#6

It's nice to see someone finally admit that Pikemen aren't total gimps. I posted that in their forum the other day and they all jumped in and started whining about how they are total gimps. It's really funny because I've seriously considered switching over to Pikeman because of their better attacks (knockdown, stun, etc), and also their cool weapons. All the same, I like Swordsman and we do a lot of damage and get some more passive bonuses. It's a hard decision, really.

Benwin
Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:24 pm
#7

Thought I would drop a line.

I am a Master Pikeman, and enjoy it very much. I dont think we are gimped in anyway, infact maybe a little too overpowering(but I wont complain )

Anyways, Yes, your Swordsman do have it rough. I group up with another Swordsman when we go out. I KD, switch over and hit faster and harder then he does. I think a swordsman should be able to hit harder then a Pikeman but with shorter reach.

A Swordsman should be able to weild a very powerfull weapon, unlike a pikeman who uses a "pole". I dont neccessarily think you should get a KD, but a damage increase at least. It is very nice that you guys have a head/mind hit, that is very big in pvp.

We, as brawlers, still have a lot to look forward to. I hope you Swordsman out there keep at it just as any other brawler type will and see what the future fortells.

Good Luck ladies and gentleman.



-Weston Durden
Wise_Old_Jedi
Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:10 pm
#8

swords and fencer end up with more toughness. Not nearly as much as TKA of course.

As a rodian I have +10 to accuracy for fencer and sword, even so I'm going pikeman because of the KDs, aoe and single target. Granted at master brawler you get lunge2 which does knockdown, but its such a high ham ability its not so good, plus it does no damage.

However the new changes may fix that I don't know.
Nagorak
Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:39 pm
#9

I think all the melee classes with the exception of TKA are pretty good. I'm not complaining about swordsmen by any means. It's more of a situation where both classes have something I like, so I can't decide which way to go.
Zemsta
Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:39 pm
#10

i have leveled eveyr melee weapon to novice at least and found the following to be true:


terakazi: the hands down most difficult to lvl to novice (i lvled to novice before knuklers were on our server so i did it the same way they have to now and it aint no picnic. but once you get there nothing beats a single tgt down faster although they tend to get wiped out aginst multiple tgts until they get their toughness up to insane lvls hehe


pikeman: second hardest to lvl to novice: they really dont have a good weapon available until novice is achieved. both the vibro weapons are good but on many servers (bria for one) the materials to make them are not available. the lack of weapon cert at master in the brawler tree also hurts.. and 8 toughness gained before novice is appaling. they truely get the shaft on that one. as i said now that tera lost the knucklers they are harder to lvl initially but pike is a close second. once you make novice though you get 10 more toughness but if you cant buy the vibros pike will become the worst thing around till you get the knockdown


2hnd swordsman: hard to lvl to master but the aoe attack combined with cleavers and the other available good weapons make this class shine after you get the aoe attack. lvling to novice is not nearly as hard as the two mentioned before this.


1hnded sword: by far the easiest to lvl to novice. high dmg fast weapons like the 1hnded curved and the vibro blade are just plain deadly. the ability to dizzy+ posture change at expert lvl is a godsend. and the spin attack is also very nice rivalling the swordsman for lair aoe distruction. however, after you get higher than novice, 1hnded sword is harder to lvl as they dont have a weapon better than light ap (vibroblade) and so end up doing very poor dammage on some mobs. basicly their choice of critter to kill becomes more and more difficult as they continue to lvl while swordsman and pikemen have a wider range of soloable prey.

Seawolvz25
Sun Aug 24, 2003 12:07 am
#11

I'm so glad to hear that....................I'm almost at Master and I have no knockdown capabilites othen than a sweep..................whats wrong with that picture? Shouldn't swordsman be able to "knock" people on their asses moreso than a firearm? I mean taking a Power Hammer to the cranium should knock someone down.........



One of the original 6 founding pimps of BBFE..........................Why Sony WHY!
LinchpinWookie
Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:19 pm
#12

I dont know about your server. But on kauri ive seen some insane 2h swordsman weapons. For example, weve got 110-495 damage power hammers 3.9 attack, UNSLICED. I dont know how you can complain about something that awesome.


Im a fencer myself, I can get a good curved sword. Around 85-190 damage, 1.6 attack speed.


Ive seen swordsman mind bleeds to 250 a tick after pvp reduction...

Nagorak
Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:42 pm
#13

I don't think anyone is complaining.

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