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Thread: In-Depth Analysis of Pikeman

Gunman21
Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:49 pm
#1






An in-depth analysis of the Pikeman profession


There are 5 aspects that define a combat profession in Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided. These 5 aspects are:

· Damage


· Defense


· Speed


· Accuracy


· Special Abilities/Skills


A balanced profession would excel in one or more of these aspects, but lack in others. This creates a balance so no profession has everything, which would make that profession overpowered.


I will go over each aspect to get a good idea of where pikeman stand with regards to other professions. Red = the lowest modifier, Blue = the second lowest.


Damage:


Special damage - time


Polearmhit3 - 3.0 - 2.5


2Hit3 4.0 - 3.25


1Hhit3 5.0 - (Information not found)


UnarmedHit3- 4.0 - 3.0


As you can see, Pikeman is the only melee profession to have a x3 damage modifier. This means that we are doing significantly less damage than the professions that have a x4 modifier, especially if those professions have weapons that are equal or higher in damage to ours. We are not efficient damage dealers.


Weapon Damage:


Long Vibro Axe- 110-376


Power Hammers- 138-466


Gaderiffi Baton - 131-222


Vibro Knuckles- 287-396 (Teras Kasi Master)





Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

Gunman21
Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:50 pm
#2


Accuracy:


Pikeman- 150


Swordsman- 130


Fencer- 150


Teras Kasi- 205


The accuracy mods in the pikeman profession are fairly good. The problem with our accuracy comes from our weapons modifiers, listed below.



Most Common Accuracy Modifiers:


Main weapons:


Long Vibro Axe- -34


Power Hammer - -31


Stun Baton- +6


Vibro Knuckles- +10


Alternate Weapons:


Vibro Lance -11


2H Curved Sword- +13


Gadderfi Stick- -3


In their respective categories, Pikeman weapons have the worst weapon accuracy on average.





Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

Gunman21
Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:51 pm
#3

Sorry about the formatting, it's the only way I could post it (it looks much, much better in word!)




Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

avallo
Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:51 pm
#4


BRAVO! Well said Gunman, well said. Might you consider reposting this in your handy-dandy correspondants forum?

Message Edited by avallo on 04-16-2004 05:53 PM

USAF204
Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:55 pm
#5

Interesting...
StGabriel
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:04 pm
#6

FWIW, compare a powerhammer to an LVA (given those numbers):

Base DPS:
Powerhammer -- [(138+466)/2] / 5.4 = 55.92
Long Vibro Axe -- [(110+376)/2] / 4.4 = 55.22

The Powerhammer has a very slight advantage.

DPS for Hit3:
Powerhammer -- 55.92*4.0/3.25 = 68.82
Long Vibro Axe -- 55.22*3.0/2.5 = 66.26

The advantage increases only slightly.

Note that an LVA is more accurate than a power hammer (slightly better ranged mods as well as higher accuracy mods at Master Pikeman).

StGabe.



--- The Clan McDonnell ---

Gaffyn McDonnell -- Master of Blades (master fencer/swordsman/brawler)
Flynn McDonnell -- Master Weapon Smith (+22 exp), Armorsmith (+25 exp)
Lorrinne McDonnell -- Nightsister (pike/doc)

StGabriel
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:05 pm
#7

In other words, with respect to:

As you can see, Pikeman is the only melee profession to have a x3 damage modifier.

It is very important to note that Pikemen also have the lowest delay for their Hit3 attack.



--- The Clan McDonnell ---

Gaffyn McDonnell -- Master of Blades (master fencer/swordsman/brawler)
Flynn McDonnell -- Master Weapon Smith (+22 exp), Armorsmith (+25 exp)
Lorrinne McDonnell -- Nightsister (pike/doc)

Gunman21
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:08 pm
#8


meh lemme think about this some more

Message Edited by Gunman21 on 04-16-2004 06:09 PM




Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

StGabriel
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:08 pm
#9

Ok, I promise I'll stop these little mini-posts. However, if we're complaining about Hit3 attacks you might notice that the Swordsmen Hit3 actually has WORSE damage per second than Swordsman Hit2.



--- The Clan McDonnell ---

Gaffyn McDonnell -- Master of Blades (master fencer/swordsman/brawler)
Flynn McDonnell -- Master Weapon Smith (+22 exp), Armorsmith (+25 exp)
Lorrinne McDonnell -- Nightsister (pike/doc)

Gunman21
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:11 pm
#10

well that's kind of like saying dps wise spin1 is our best move....




Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

Gunman21
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:17 pm
#11

If I wanted to be evil gabe, I'd switch that power hammer dps for a scythe or acklay hammer, suddenly those numbers jump significantly


I wanted to keep this to the base stuff though just for raw numbers, so that's why I went with the standard unsliced stuff.




Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

annelid0
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:18 pm
#12

Very nice analysis. The only point I'd argue is that we're only the second slowest melee profession if you compare our slowest (yet usable) weapon to swordsmen's slowest (yet usable) weapon.

If you go by our fastest weapons instead, about the best we can hope for without a speed slice is a 2.8 speed basic lance. Swordsmen, on the other hand, have the option of using a 2.6 speed AP2 2-handed curved sword. Additionally, the scythe, while a looted schematic, can be both quite fast and high damage.

Our slowest weapon is not the slowest of any melee class, but our fastest weapon is slower than the fastest weapon of any other melee class.



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StGabriel
Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:26 pm
#13

Well for base stuff I'm not sure your argument really holds, at least not in comparison to Swordsmen. Furthermore, I'd like to see a comparison against a fencer. I think you'll beat them out by a mile, even if they are using an Acklay Bone Stun Baton. The DPS on an Acklay Hammer, by the way, tends to come in only slightly above what a regular hammer has. My Acklay Hammers have had a base of around 200-540 or so at 5.9s delay (dps of 62.71).

And if we want to bring up looted stuff you're going to have to allow that high damage looted Pike weapons are MUCH more common than loot for other weapons. I've also got a 30% sliced NS Vibro Unit LVA that would give my Scythe a good run for its money.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. You know well I've always strongly suupported Pikemen. I'm just pointing out holes in your argument. A common sentiment that I hear from Pikemen is that Swordsmen have it so great. Well, in some ways I there certainly is a gulf between these professions. I'm not sure that it's Hit3 though or the DPS on your weapons though.

Message Edited by StGabriel on 04-16-2004 09:27 PM



--- The Clan McDonnell ---

Gaffyn McDonnell -- Master of Blades (master fencer/swordsman/brawler)
Flynn McDonnell -- Master Weapon Smith (+22 exp), Armorsmith (+25 exp)
Lorrinne McDonnell -- Nightsister (pike/doc)

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