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Thread: Does anyone have the feeling that pike will = win after combat rebalance?
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Ivon
Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:35 pm
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With the crazy high rate of pikeman weapons, pikeman has become VERY good in pvp due to dots. however, if you dont have them you suck, so there are limited amounts of pikeman.... BUT, if pikeman without loot weapons becomes equal to every other class.... who wouldnt be pikeman? There are WAYYY to many dot pikes already (i have about 3 mind fire lances, im not even pikeman, nor do i pve) so making the drop rate on them will not change much at all...
PLEASE consider the fact that almost ALL pvp pikeman have UBER weapons during the forming of the combat revamp... =/
EvilDrider
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:04 pm
#2
I thought there were rumblings of DoT's getting a change/balance in the combat revamp.. I remember talk about it a few months ago.
Kitar88
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:22 pm
#3
I for one don't use DOT's but then again I don't do PvP as I'm almost master pikeman and I'm working on CH.
annelid0
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:33 pm
#4
Not at all. If they do things right with the revamp DoTs won't have anywhere close to the same power afterwards.
Right now the reason DoTs are so powerful in PvP is because they aren't bound by the same rules as all the other damage. They ignore the 75% reduction, armor, mitigation, toughness, and so forth. All the things that make our normal attacks essentially useless in PvP.
In PvE DoTs aren't used as much, because the damage we can do with normal attacks easily outweighs the damage done by 99% of the DoT weapons in the game. At most they're used to augment our damage against a powerful opponent, not win the fight for us.
All it would really take to eliminate the DoT = win situation is to balance things so that normal attacks are superior to DoTs in PvP as well as PvE. If a limit is present in PvP it needs to be applied to all damage types.
The easiest solution would just be to remove DoT weapons from the game entirely, but it won't matter if the DoT weapons remain as long as they're rendered ineffective as a primary damage type.
Right now the reason DoTs are so powerful in PvP is because they aren't bound by the same rules as all the other damage. They ignore the 75% reduction, armor, mitigation, toughness, and so forth. All the things that make our normal attacks essentially useless in PvP.
In PvE DoTs aren't used as much, because the damage we can do with normal attacks easily outweighs the damage done by 99% of the DoT weapons in the game. At most they're used to augment our damage against a powerful opponent, not win the fight for us.
All it would really take to eliminate the DoT = win situation is to balance things so that normal attacks are superior to DoTs in PvP as well as PvE. If a limit is present in PvP it needs to be applied to all damage types.
The easiest solution would just be to remove DoT weapons from the game entirely, but it won't matter if the DoT weapons remain as long as they're rendered ineffective as a primary damage type.
GreatReorx
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:36 pm
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from what i understand in the combat revamp dots will not play a big role in pvp. Rumours about a huge comp nerf along with other things will in my opinion improve the game tenfold. Pike will still b a forsed to be reckoned with as alot of us have 800/1k dmg LVA's. I say bring on the rebalance and we will still rock the melee class
Dynastar
Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:36 pm
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GreatReorx wrote:Pike will still b a forsed to be reckoned with as alot of us have 800/1k dmg LVA's. I say bring on the rebalance and we will still rock the melee class
I disagree.
With an armor nerf, combat would be shorter, thus placing accuracy at a premium. Unless your LVA has +25 Polearm Accuracy, the -45 accuracy modifiers will be painfully evident.
GreatReorx
Mon Aug 30, 2004 11:35 pm
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With a cap on defence and having maxed out accuracy its never been a problem. Accuracy SEA's are cheap atm but easily available on the trade forums.
Volcanus
Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:15 am
#8
yep seems like theyr gonna nerf poison, + u have disease and poison resist buffs that last for hours 
rekoil
Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:04 pm
#9
who cares about the dots,
The 800+ max Medium Armor peircing LVAs are gonna cut right through your 50% kinetic
I dont know the resistances, but i presume he was wearing 40% stun armor and a poor 60% kinetic com chest, but i duelled my friend the other day with my 856 Max LVA and hit him for 500 or so
THATS why im a pikeman.
Dots are handy too of course
The 800+ max Medium Armor peircing LVAs are gonna cut right through your 50% kinetic
I dont know the resistances, but i presume he was wearing 40% stun armor and a poor 60% kinetic com chest, but i duelled my friend the other day with my 856 Max LVA and hit him for 500 or so
THATS why im a pikeman.
Dots are handy too of course
arkcher
Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:38 am
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GreatReorx wrote:
from what i understand in the combat revamp dots will not play a big role in pvp. Rumours about a huge comp nerf along with other things will in my opinion improve the game tenfold. Pike will still b a forsed to be reckoned with as alot of us have 800/1k dmg LVA's. I say bring on the rebalance and we will still rock the melee class
the long overdue comp and DOT, oh sweet Rapture!
Smuggler4ever
Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:11 am
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I don't care. Pike is fun whether it's on par with the others or not, so it really doesn't matter if it's going to win after the CB or not. It's just all extra if we get better
arkcher
Fri Sep 03, 2004 9:15 pm
#13
arkcher wrote:
Bring on the nerfs you pasty video game makers!
I WILL BE THE MUSTARD OF YOUR DOOM!!!!!
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