Pikeman Archive
Thread: Post-patch experiences
This has to be an error of some sort, I'm beginning to think. I have tried out many duels tonight, and no one has yet seen a block come from me. I counterattack sometimes, but never block. I'm beginning to think that either the message is incorrect or something else is wrong.This can't be right.
Against a master 2-H swordsman/master brawler, he counterattacked nearly every swing I took at him while he was using Center of Being. Whereas he seemed to hit me most of the time even while I was using CoB...CoB duration at master is nice. I'm still investigating how good it is, so far, looks nice.
Accuracy...I still miss more than I'm comfortable with, I have not yet seen a very noticeable change in accuracy.
Bleeding not incapping/killing...this makes it almost impossible for me to take out peko peko albatrosses now. trying tonight, I bleed them down to their last breath, then I have to chase them around as they warp 100-200m at a time trying to get close enough to get that last leghit in. Exhausting.
The red streamers are nice, adding to the animations. I didn't think I would like them at first, but I do.
Overall: so far looking good mostly, not sure anything aside form CoB has made any difference, though. Still a lot of experimenting to be done and playing to see what's going on.
Would anyone else like to add their observations?
antares
master pikeman
Well I've mostly experimented using a vibro lance in PvE, and I love the changes. Severaltimes theCoB has caused whatever I was fighting to not hit me for the entire duration of it. Never gotten the block message, but the creature ain't hitting me soI'm not complaining. Accuracy is tons better also.Not just tons but amazingly better for me. I'd say nowI miss maybe once every20 swings or so, waaaay down from what it previously was with the same vibro lance.I am 3-3-3-3 in skills by the way.
A lot better, though I think we still hit the bottom of the barrel as far as melee is concerned, and this still doesn't help us against ranged in PvP, we have at least become usefull in PVE again with the new COB move.
COB is really nice when you get down to low power, especially mind and you activate it and do no specials to conserve, the extra defense works wonders when you are fighting a mob with the last of your strength.
And Warcry actually works now! Or should I say, works more often, not like once out of every 50 tries.
I was on dantooine today and actually survived getting jumped by 4 voritors. to be fair, I had almost finished off one, then another came, as I started to beat on it then two more jumped me.
what allowed me to survive it was a combination of warcry, (1, not 2) intimidate, and COB, along with 63% resist composite armor, but even so, before this patch I would have never survived that.
For comparison purposes I am a master pikeman, and I do have TKA precision striking up to 3 for the extra defense mods to make an accurate analysis. But still, the point being, this is what I had before the patch and I would have never survived that then.
So my final analysis? We can do a lot more for groups in PVP now, don't get a big head though and try to own in PVP, we are not quite there yet, but, we are starting to get some usefulness.
Hopefully good times is to come if we get just a little more attention, I still think our class gets some distinction to give us a specific usefullness for certain situations which will make people go "We could really use a Pikeman for this". Because even if we are effective, it can get stale if we are just regarded as another set of damage dealers/sponges.
Not that I mind being a damage dealer/sponge, but I would like to have something that we could call our own.
Just an observation. For some reason when we block it shows up as a counterattack on our screen, but in actuality it is a block. You can test this by dueling someone, activate cob, wait for a counterattack, and ask the other person what their log shows.
ChryssSR wrote:Just an observation. For some reason when we block it shows up as a counterattack on our screen, but in actuality it is a block. You can test this by dueling someone, activate cob, wait for a counterattack, and ask the other person what their log shows.
Did you verify this to be the case? I'm not able to check this at the moment, and this is good information we need to know. As for my experience, neither the person I was dueling nor the people standing around ever saw the word "block" anywhere. And with +115 block, we should be blocking a lot even outside of CoB, which we are not...
antares
master pikeman
Accuracy is about the same for me...said all along only way to fix that problem is change our weaponmods hehe.
CoB is awsome, but it doesn't block, it just counter-attacks. I went through a duel where the other guy, a TKA, never hit me while CoB was active. It's nice, but I want to block dangit!
The visuals are excellent. Definatly makes us look a LOT better while fighting.
Oh yes, let's not forget the 10m range for specials!
antares
master pikeman
You still take full damage, the worst part is you can't see the amount of damage that was sustained since the game things you blocked it/counter attacked it/whatever. I was incapped in 3 hits by a force sensative npc not even 20 minutes ago, all 3 hits said I counter attacked.
Yes, I have verified the counterattack message we see is in reality a block many times. Both by dueling other people and the character on my second account. If you are counterattacking you are BLOCKING.
Maybe Only COB makes a big difference at master levels, I couldn't tell you for sure since I was Master when it was implemented and wasn't able to test it at lower levels.
But I do know this, COB makes a huge difference in tanking having that in our arsenal when used correctly.
It still doesn't do anything for us in PVP though.