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Greetings fellow Pikemen,

Since the boards of the other melee professions are flooded with "jedi hunter" templates, I think its about time we get one too Inspired by the (pretty good) Crimson Empire books, I wondered if the quite impressive power of melee professions against Jedi is usable for a pikeman too. Master Pike, most likely.

Now, of course there are dot lances. But leaving them out for a second, I wonder where exactly the big problems against Jedi are. I imagine its the low Polearm Toughness / Melee Defense? Help me out there, since I dont have Master Pikeman PvP experience.

Kanis Var'Dunas, FarStar

Unless your stacked defensively and have some sort of dot imo you don't have much of a chance. A TK benifits from high toughness which you know we don't have. Without a high damage LVA/VL and a dot, even with, I don't stand long against a high level DJK. The inherent problem with the fight is force run. Which can be a give and take, sometimes it plays right in if you have a good fire dot to use, but generally the Jedi will run after a couple swings unless they know for a fact you are going to drop. Again, pulling from the TK bag of tricks, a lucky Force of Will can easily make a jedi's day take a turn for the worse.

With the right weapons, and the right template you can get lucky, KD's generally land well in my experience, although a spamed stateheal can negate that. Hopefully not before you land a crippling blow. Most of the time they are running all over the damn place and you are hard pressed to pull a Lunge2 off before they are out of range. Not to mention the squads that they run with.

A Master Pike can instill a sense of fear in a jedi though. If they are infact running with a squad and you have managed to turn the jedi around, next assault just about garuntees all weapons on you.

I can't say I've managed a kill yet, but I've come damn close, to where if it wasn't for lag (read: the 20meter 'you have been knocked down' walk) I would have gotten my claws wet.

Currently I'm pure meele, my template is

Master Pike

Master Brawler

Master Swords

TK 4303 (or 4204? dunno I've run so many scenarios with my template I forget )

If I can get a Jedi alone through baiting and use of a pixie and vertipcutti<sp?> I dot, KD/dizzy, and pull the hack out for the head hits. I know the hack isn't great, but something about killing a Jedi while he is on the ground by head hits off an executioners hack is appealing to me. Although, with a high damage LVA you could probally chop up an unweary Jedi, esp if he is predisposed.

I would estimate that toe to toe I can stand about 12 seconds with a DJK, slightly more with spice and or food. Of the three times I've had one to myself I've died each time. Put on a good amount of hurt though, and again the one that got away did so with the aide of another DJK and his cohort.

Fuggin force run, thats all I gotta say

There comes a time in every mans life when 86 years is just too damn long...

Ok, so basically, a template using BH 3 x x x and Master Pikeman will have a lot of trouble dealing with Jedi, due to the Defense issue. Would using the last points for some Pistoleer defense make a difference?

Also, aside from Defense, does a Pikeman dish out enough damage to hurt a Jedi? The key to those fights seems to be finishing him fast if you get him on the ground and dizzy. Is that a TKA privilege, or do Pikemen have PvP usable KD/dizzy moves?

Kanis Var'Dunas, FarStar

ah, someone with experience in that department May I ask how you, roughly, approach a fight with a Jedi? Of course no disclosing secret tactics, but in general is it more like "kite till he drops" or a toe to toe fight, providing the Jedi is so silly to play along?

Also, you have chosen Pistols, can you see Carbines doing the job as well, replacing your pistoleer with carbineer, and the bounty spec?

Kanis Var'Dunas, FarStar

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