Pikeman Archive
Thread: Something I just dont get (pike vs TKM)
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Conja-Copar
Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:04 pm
#1
I know there are a lot of reason why we get **edit** slapped by these guys ever time we try to fight them. But.. I mastered pikeman recently for the first time, I've been TKM and some others. But As a master pikeman, I never see myself doing more than 100 damage to TKMs... Melee mitigation or not, I seriously do not hit over 100 damage with hit 3. This is no armor, no PSGs, just plain fighting. Im using a Crafted LVA with 450 max damage. The other stats are average. I've never expierenced such low damage with a proffession.
Im not new to the game, just new to pikeman.
On another note, a way to give us a quick fix would be to boost our speed and accuracy.. We have like the worst of all melee proffessions.
annelid0
Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:41 pm
#2
You should be able to hit for a bit more than that with hit3. Of course you'll be limited to roughly 100-200 damage, and considerably less than that with any attack other than hit3. If he intimidated you that would be cut in half, so doing less than 100 damage would be expected.
All the rest of it are all the things that have been problems for a long time. He'd have 57 toughness as a master TKA (or 62 w/ master brawler) and melee mitigation 3. Mitigation would probably knock the max damage of you weapon down to about 275, and his toughness would eliminate over half the damage you should be doing to him.
From his side of the fight, our mitigation 3 is meaningless (since TKAs have such a tight range of damage) and our toughness is so low it's laughable. I gave up dueling TKAs a long time ago, I was lucky to get one swing in before they dropped me.
[insert rant about the combat balance being delayed here]
All the rest of it are all the things that have been problems for a long time. He'd have 57 toughness as a master TKA (or 62 w/ master brawler) and melee mitigation 3. Mitigation would probably knock the max damage of you weapon down to about 275, and his toughness would eliminate over half the damage you should be doing to him.
From his side of the fight, our mitigation 3 is meaningless (since TKAs have such a tight range of damage) and our toughness is so low it's laughable. I gave up dueling TKAs a long time ago, I was lucky to get one swing in before they dropped me.
[insert rant about the combat balance being delayed here]
Message Edited by annelid0 on 07-16-2004 02:44 AM
MrCorn
Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:49 am
#3
The dude that said:
"You should be able to hit for a bit more than that with hit3. Of course you'll be limited to roughly 100-200 damage, and considerably less than that with any attack other than hit3. If he intimidated you that would be cut in half, so doing less than 100 damage would be expected."
polearmhit3, polearmleghit3, and polearmareaattack2 all have the exact same damage mod
MrCorn
Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:50 am
#4
ermm..to answer your question about the weakness....pikeman are one of the professions that absolutely HAVE to find a good looted weapon to be effective in PvP...Don't ask me why..
annelid0
Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:47 am
#5
MrCorn wrote:polearmhit3, polearmleghit3, and polearmareaattack2 all have the exact same damage mod
No they don't. hit3 is 4x, area2 is 2.75x and leghit3 is 2.5x.
Equilibruim
Fri Jul 16, 2004 12:37 pm
#6
Well I do have to say this. I usually dont hit taks for over 200 damage with 900 damage pikes. Thats with armor etc... They have hidden Def vs pike!
Conja-Copar
Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:46 pm
#7
Ahh, it's got to be the toughness. And I wasnt intimidated, Im usually the only one doing the intimidating and stunning.
No offense to kettemoor players, but I've not seen one pvP fight where intimidate was used, except for when I use it, and it sucks being a pikeman there, because even with the slightest amount of skill you can have in this game you cant win as a pikeman. In fact I hate the server... Worst server I've ever made a character on, it's like the official noob server.
analogous
Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:06 pm
#8
Im Pikeman, I have one of the top PvP ratings on the server, maybe you just don't know how to play the profession? And yes I'll gladly duel you or any of your friends since your on Eclipse.
annelid0
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:06 pm
#9
analogous wrote:Im Pikeman, I have several strong mind fire/mind poison DoTs, maybe you just don't have enough money? And yes I'll gladly duel you or any of your friends since your on Eclipse.
Fixed it for you.
film
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:14 pm
#10
any pikeman thats been around for awhile and knows what he's doing can suprise alot of people in pvp. i'm not bragging or anything but i'm speed capped, plus 20 to accuracy in tapes, some crazy dotted weaps along w/some very high dmg lva's.however it seems i do have a tough time vs tkm's w/o dots. but i think we all know that its probably based on the fact that any high dmg lva we loot still has a fairly low min dmg hovering around 250-300 dmg. Put in some mitigation, a butload of toughness and a few /unarmedKd2's and we've got trouble. of course we can just throw on a few mind fires/poisons and we win hands down. just ask this guy, a tkm who decided to throw on a afk tag after being killed to make himself look good after i killed his 2 buddies along side him http://akira.roninelite.com/swg/screenShot0236.jpg
turrix
Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:01 am
#12
Truth is, at the moment, you pretty much have to use DOTs to use a pike effectively against TKAs or fencers. We just don't do enough damage otherwise. Whenever I duel a fencer/tka, all i try to do is DOT him, try to stop him from doing damage to me, and trying to hit the pool I DOT'ed with the damage i can get through. Also remember that thakitillo is your friends against KD.
Conja-Copar
Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:59 pm
#13
I love you annelid, your response was perfect.
People think knowing how to use a proffession is have the best skill tapes and DoTs... And i hate when people tell me i dont know how to use pikeman, because all they are saying is, you just dont have any good DoTs.
And I'll gladly duel you, no DoTs... And you have to use a pike..
Message Edited by Conja-Copar on 07-17-2004 01:01 AM
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