Pikeman Archive
Thread: I got a bit of a surprise last night.
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jedimaster1141
Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:40 am
#1
I went PVPin last night. Im a pretty new pikeman, been a master for 2 weeks or so. (speed capped) I practically gave up on doing regular damage without DoTs, after I dueled an unarmored TKM and was only hitting him for 30 damage. But I got this rifleman/doc KD'ed, and I started hitting for 300+ with my 382 damage DoT LVA.... then I switched to my stronger one... and started hitting REALLY hard. I thought it might have been a bug or something, but then I ended up fighting another rifleman/doc... Same thing. So im wondering, does melee midigation really affect weapons THAT drastically? Or did I just end up fighting 2 guys with super low %armor.
edited for spelling error
Message Edited by jedimaster1141 on 10-27-2004 06:41 AM
Dynastar
Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:49 am
#2
It's mitigation and toughness. Pikemen get fvcked really, really hard by mitigation.
XwingRogue3
Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:03 am
#3
Yep mitigation really seems to hit pikes hard. I do terrible against a TKM but do well against a ranged profession in PvP.
c00kie
Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:08 am
#4
Pikeman sucks defensivly b/c of 2 thinks, really low toughness and Block which is horrible...
You probably rapped the rifleman/doc b/c he has no melee mitigatino or toughness, so any melee would have raped him...
not all is lost though... there are ways to be ffective as a pike in pvp
p897t98
Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:39 pm
#6
some guy in bestine made a new char, and wanted a duel lol, i used KD and hit 3 and he died, he had 1000 HAM 
2 shots
2 shots
Lihpson
Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:10 pm
#7
Our weapons are terrible against melee mitigation 3...
here's why
so as you can see the wider the damage spread the more it is affected by mitigation
Lihpson
Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:22 pm
#8
Doing some quick, basic calculations you can see why our weapons or so affected against melee professions. For example an LVA with 100-500 damage would do the effect of a 100-360 weapon against someone with melee mit 3. An uber looted LVA with stats of 200-1000 would equate to 200-520 against melee mit 3. A fencer weapon, with a tighter damage spread, would be something like this: 250-350 standard, 250-290 after melee mit 3. So, as you can see our weapons are drastically affected against anyone with melee mit 3, and would be absolutely unaffected against someone with no melee mit. So we are able to deal alot of damage but are severely affected against melee profs and that is why we MUST rely on DOT weapons in pvp (or uber looted weapons).
Message Edited by Lihpson on 10-27-2004 06:26 PM
Shakaeq
Thu Oct 28, 2004 1:29 pm
#9
agreeing and adding to some of the above posters:Here is what each master melee class gets for toughness(without master brawler whichs adds +5 to each)
TKA +57
Fence +32
Sword +43
Pike +26 ick
From what I have read, these numbers act as a % in taking damage. so 57% reduction, etc, only when holding the associated weapon. Melee mitigation works all the time, even holding a rifle(ex. rifleman/pikeman...you would damage less than arifleman/doc with the exact same hit) I dueled a TKA last night and damn guy was hitting me for 350-490 with spitting wrawl while I was holding my rifle standing up(and I have melee mit3) I have read about rifleman taking a 2.5 times damage modifieragainst melee( I dont know if this is 100% true however) Dots are a need agaist melee mitigated and especially if they are going melee on you.
Locs
Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:24 pm
#10
Its simple TKM's is the class with the highest defences (Melee and Ranged) and best toughness, ur doing fine, just be more wary of TKMs....Especially Trandoshans
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