Pikeman Archive
Thread: Petition to Make NS Lance A Master Certification
PhiGon
Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:51 am
#29
Nobody better take away my uber 40 strength Health disease with 8000 charges and a whopping 70% accuracy! If so, this Master Pikeman is gonna be angry. 
Make all NS lances, axes, etc. specific to the profession. I still don't think it should be master though.
Make all NS lances, axes, etc. specific to the profession. I still don't think it should be master though.
Message Edited by PhiGon on 06-21-2004 09:53 AM
BackBite
Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:58 am
#31
/sign, but only under the condition that NS lances are either enhanced to always be better than player-made lances OR that it's not the only Master-level certification we (will) have.
Personally, I think having the cert placed somewhere toward the top of the Pikeman tree would be enough to keep the #@%! dabblers away.
Personally, I think having the cert placed somewhere toward the top of the Pikeman tree would be enough to keep the #@%! dabblers away.
Shakaeq
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:36 am
#32
/sign
problem is, most of my DOT lancesare VL's, not NS lances. /shrug
Dynastar
Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:58 am
#33
I can't agree here, not at all.
First of all, this would do virtually nothing for PvE Pikemen. Of the somewhat limited number of useful NS Lances for PvP, even fewer are useful for PvE. Making the NS Lance our Master-level weapon would virtually negate all chances of recieving another Master-level weapon. Our Master-level weapon should not be a tool we use once(to lay a DoT) and then put away. No, it should be a weapon we depend on. A weapon that is useful for many situations outside of setting someone's mind on fire.
Secondly, its a looted weapon. If you've ever read my posts, you'll know that the only thing I despise more than us depending on DoTs, is depending on looted weapons. There is a reason I didn't play EverCamp.
Now, as much as I hate to say it, wait for the combat rebalance. I can only hope that after that, there will be less of a need for DoTs as we have a better ability to inflict direct damage rather than letting a DoT do all the work. When it comes to weapons, I only have a few suggestions.
Master Level - lootable/reward schematic and/or loot/reward components. Can't be as asinine as fighting Axkva Min though
Current Weapons - add a reinforcement core to the Vibro Lance and Long Vibro Axe schematic to allow for the use of Acklay bones, which are much easier to get than our only other high-level loot, the Nightsister Vibro Motors -OR- relax the hard stat caps on Desh Copper to allow for better Vibro Units to be made(for you non-WS people, there is no such thing as good Desh Copper, its all crap, and its a vital component). The problem with the second suggestion is that it will affect Vibro Knucklers, giving TKA's even more power, something they don't exactly need.
First of all, this would do virtually nothing for PvE Pikemen. Of the somewhat limited number of useful NS Lances for PvP, even fewer are useful for PvE. Making the NS Lance our Master-level weapon would virtually negate all chances of recieving another Master-level weapon. Our Master-level weapon should not be a tool we use once(to lay a DoT) and then put away. No, it should be a weapon we depend on. A weapon that is useful for many situations outside of setting someone's mind on fire.
Secondly, its a looted weapon. If you've ever read my posts, you'll know that the only thing I despise more than us depending on DoTs, is depending on looted weapons. There is a reason I didn't play EverCamp.
Now, as much as I hate to say it, wait for the combat rebalance. I can only hope that after that, there will be less of a need for DoTs as we have a better ability to inflict direct damage rather than letting a DoT do all the work. When it comes to weapons, I only have a few suggestions.
Master Level - lootable/reward schematic and/or loot/reward components. Can't be as asinine as fighting Axkva Min though
Current Weapons - add a reinforcement core to the Vibro Lance and Long Vibro Axe schematic to allow for the use of Acklay bones, which are much easier to get than our only other high-level loot, the Nightsister Vibro Motors -OR- relax the hard stat caps on Desh Copper to allow for better Vibro Units to be made(for you non-WS people, there is no such thing as good Desh Copper, its all crap, and its a vital component). The problem with the second suggestion is that it will affect Vibro Knucklers, giving TKA's even more power, something they don't exactly need.
Bib-Fortuna
Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:59 pm
#34
You seem to miss the point, I mentioned gadderiffi batons with much stronger DoTs (No, I'm not counting (exceptional) or (legendary) weapons), which take a lower certification to use and are much more accurate.
All DoTs deserve the standard 75% damage reduction that they normally get in PvP now, combat medics would be alot more balanced if they had it as well. Do that and they become more of the support class they're supposed to be.
Nerf all DoTs and you automatically make them so they are used to enhance a profession, not a profession made to enhance the DoT.
For example, a weak action DoT pike and youraction hit 2 even with a 75% reduction would make a drain on their action (something that is more deadly then mind when unbuffed since almost all weapons take alot from action, especially alot of pistols, carbines, pikes and the vibro knuckler).
Just something to think about before crying to have just one item or profession nerfed. Leave one DoT type un-nerfed and you'll always have people flock to it, just as you're seeing happen with pikeman now and combat medic as well.
Ta10c
Mon Jun 21, 2004 7:36 pm
#35
/sign
in my opninon they should be nerfed, just yesterday i manage to solo2 master fencers with acklay batons by just using my NS lance with mind poison then (cos i dont have any mind fire) kept spin attacking with my high damage LVA till they died (also for spite put an action fire on them so they had max health and action wounds 
).
).im all for making pikeman better but being able to kill people like this isnt my way, hate doing it, yet feel i have to
TurboSith
Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:58 am
#38
it really doesnt matter if you can still loot an exceptional wooden staff...
annelid0
Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:25 am
#39
TurboSith wrote:it really doesnt matter if you can still loot an exceptional wooden staff...
Yes, but NS lances are much easier to get than exceptional wooden staffs. There will always be a few exceptional or legendary items that are overpowered, but they're also rare. Anyone who wants a NS lance can get one easily.
Obviously recerting NS lances doesn't actually fix the problems with DoT weapons, but if you have to put some serious time into becoming a pikeman to use one (I agree the cert should not be at master itself, but within pikeman somewhere) it would reduce the scope of the problem considerably.
It's all a moot point anyway. Petitions don't work.