Pikeman Archive
Thread: The NK Necrosis Poisonpike
DaelDarkmace
Sun May 15, 2005 3:59 am
#27
-Agent- wrote:
hovis8 wrote:
i say good on you for looting it,u looted it, it sould remain yours and if it makes you uber then fair play to you,the morons should have sorted this b4 it was put into the game,but now like everything else in game ur gona get ur pants pulled over your head and shafted.i really cant see the pathetic reason for ppl wanting us all to be the same (ie all nerfed to sh!t),to be honest is there any real reason why you now need to try and loot one of these??it wont be anything special cus remember everythings now brought into line,MY GOD i just realized i think the english government has taken over soe thats why we all play in a nanny state game
/agree finally someone who understands. The game will be completely lame if every weapon is the same. Caps and too much "balance" make use all identical and profs/weapons lose thier special role.
Whilst yes, weapons are similar, it is the person's own skills that change the damage potential of the weapon. I think that's pretty fair IMHO
And despite how much i would have loved to have the 0-60 range polearm, it's not really that realistic is it?
Message Edited by DaelDarkmace on 05-15-2005 12:01 PM
McCrow
Sun May 15, 2005 7:44 am
#28
Sorry if this has been said, i never read all the posts
But i think it's been changed no ranged Pike....Luckily for those who managed to get one it hasn't changed
But i think it's been changed no ranged Pike....Luckily for those who managed to get one it hasn't changed
annelid0
Mon May 16, 2005 8:22 pm
#29
-Agent- wrote:
hovis8 wrote:
i say good on you for looting it,u looted it, it sould remain yours and if it makes you uber then fair play to you,the morons should have sorted this b4 it was put into the game,but now like everything else in game ur gona get ur pants pulled over your head and shafted.i really cant see the pathetic reason for ppl wanting us all to be the same (ie all nerfed to sh!t),to be honest is there any real reason why you now need to try and loot one of these??it wont be anything special cus remember everythings now brought into line,MY GOD i just realized i think the english government has taken over soe thats why we all play in a nanny state game
/agree finally someone who understands. The game will be completely lame if every weapon is the same. Caps and too much "balance" make use all identical and profs/weapons lose thier special role.
There's a big difference between every weapon being the same and a melee weapon having a greater range than most ranged weapons. You can be balanced and still distinct. Look at other genres for good examples. Starcraft was a very well-balanced game, yet there were distinct identities to each of the three species. TFC was very highly differentiated in its classes, but also very balanced. The two are not mutually exclusive. Just because this is a RPG doesn't mean it has to have absurdly imbalanced weapons.
All I see here is a weak attempt to rationalize imbalance.
chindi2k2
Wed May 18, 2005 3:57 pm
#30
Pre-nerf ones are going bye-bye too. I was in Ettyy and a Jedi CSR de-cloaked right next to me , asked to see my Poisonspikeso he could get the code-string for the devs to look at.He tried to spawn some 60m ones cloned from mine but could only spawn 5m ones.He said they are all going to be fixed at some point. And then he gave me a "good samaritan" badge and *poofed*
b_ming
Wed May 18, 2005 4:32 pm
#31
chindi2k2 wrote:Pre-nerf ones are going bye-bye too. I was in Ettyy and a Jedi CSR de-cloaked right next to me , asked to see my Poisonspikeso he could get the code-string for the devs to look at.He tried to spawn some 60m ones cloned from mine but could only spawn 5m ones.He said they are all going to be fixed at some point. And then he gave me a "good samaritan" badge and *poofed*
boooo best make the most of mine then.
CorenLanra
Wed May 18, 2005 6:06 pm
#32
One just sold today on the chilastra boards for 150mil.. I posted in there that they would probably be fixed very soon and the guy did a BO anyway after my post.. I'm sure he's gunna be ticked.
LadyDeath101
Thu May 19, 2005 4:01 am
#33
it depend who wants to take a risk
this pike is not bad, reallie fun for melee
Xsie
Thu May 19, 2005 4:20 am
#34
[quote]And then he gave me a "good samaritan" badge and *poofed*[/quote]
I want such a badge aswel
I want such a badge aswel
-Dax
Fri May 20, 2005 12:03 pm
#35
I cant believe people are actually trying to rationalize a 60m melee weapon. And whining that they fixed it. Ive never been anything but melee (swords since i started) but i still wouldnt want a 60m hammer. Well maybe for a day or two >.>
Cloudwarrior
Sat May 21, 2005 10:54 pm
#36
A couple of points...forgive me if I am wrong.
First off, when I first heard about this weapon, it was called a Poisonspike....maybe a MT, but I read that as PoisonSPIKE. Semantics I know, but that might be part of the explanation for it having a 60m range...it’s not actually a PIKE. Now I know that a lot of you will point out that it's a master Pikeman weapon. I would point out that this distinction holds no water, as there are at least (as far as I can tell) 2 long/staff like weapons that are certed for Commando and carbineer......If a carbineer can use a pike, I can sure as giblets use a ranged weapon...which brings me to my next point
As I understand it, through out history (earthly..Hehe) Pike have been prevalent in warfare. There have been many types of pikes, to serve all types of combat roles...however, one of the most famous PIKE ever was utilized (could be wrong here) by either the Roman or Greek armies or both. These particular pikes were fairly long, however not the longest, and some were made with, light hafts, that would break away from the BLADE when they were used. The most common and deadly type of PIKE was actually a THROWN weapon..a Javalin..LOOKS a lot like a NS pike/stick..and in skilled hands could be thrown a tremendous distance, in excess of 110f. Javelins tend to be a bit smaller than what most people think of as a traditional pike, easier to throw a weighted peace of wood/metal that is 4feet long, than one that is 8 feet long. Ok so I am rambling. My point is that, having a thrown weapon, that has great range, and does massive damage, as well as being something only a master could use..is not that strange, historically speaking. The fact hat it has more range than a pistol...I grant that is unlikely, but , I big burly man or woman, who has trained a lifetime to wield weighted shafts of metal, will have pretty good strength, and, depending on the material of the weapon, would be extremely LIGHT and ARODYNAMIC...allowing it to fly through the air.
Anyway, just some observations. BTW if a commando can use a melee weapon that is as strong as or stronger than the weapon a master of a melee profession can use, said melee master sure as a monkey in a café, can use a ranged weapon that is equal to a master ranged weapon.
First off, when I first heard about this weapon, it was called a Poisonspike....maybe a MT, but I read that as PoisonSPIKE. Semantics I know, but that might be part of the explanation for it having a 60m range...it’s not actually a PIKE. Now I know that a lot of you will point out that it's a master Pikeman weapon. I would point out that this distinction holds no water, as there are at least (as far as I can tell) 2 long/staff like weapons that are certed for Commando and carbineer......If a carbineer can use a pike, I can sure as giblets use a ranged weapon...which brings me to my next point
As I understand it, through out history (earthly..Hehe) Pike have been prevalent in warfare. There have been many types of pikes, to serve all types of combat roles...however, one of the most famous PIKE ever was utilized (could be wrong here) by either the Roman or Greek armies or both. These particular pikes were fairly long, however not the longest, and some were made with, light hafts, that would break away from the BLADE when they were used. The most common and deadly type of PIKE was actually a THROWN weapon..a Javalin..LOOKS a lot like a NS pike/stick..and in skilled hands could be thrown a tremendous distance, in excess of 110f. Javelins tend to be a bit smaller than what most people think of as a traditional pike, easier to throw a weighted peace of wood/metal that is 4feet long, than one that is 8 feet long. Ok so I am rambling. My point is that, having a thrown weapon, that has great range, and does massive damage, as well as being something only a master could use..is not that strange, historically speaking. The fact hat it has more range than a pistol...I grant that is unlikely, but , I big burly man or woman, who has trained a lifetime to wield weighted shafts of metal, will have pretty good strength, and, depending on the material of the weapon, would be extremely LIGHT and ARODYNAMIC...allowing it to fly through the air.
Anyway, just some observations. BTW if a commando can use a melee weapon that is as strong as or stronger than the weapon a master of a melee profession can use, said melee master sure as a monkey in a café, can use a ranged weapon that is equal to a master ranged weapon.
CorenLanra
Tue May 24, 2005 7:06 pm
#37
Cloudwarrior wrote:A couple of points...forgive me if I am wrong.
First off, when I first heard about this weapon, it was called a Poisonspike....maybe a MT, but I read that as PoisonSPIKE. Semantics I know, but that might be part of the explanation for it having a 60m range...it’s not actually a PIKE. Now I know that a lot of you will point out that it's a master Pikeman weapon. I would point out that this distinction holds no water, as there are at least (as far as I can tell) 2 long/staff like weapons that are certed for Commando and carbineer......If a carbineer can use a pike, I can sure as giblets use a ranged weapon...which brings me to my next point
As I understand it, through out history (earthly..Hehe) Pike have been prevalent in warfare. There have been many types of pikes, to serve all types of combat roles...however, one of the most famous PIKE ever was utilized (could be wrong here) by either the Roman or Greek armies or both. These particular pikes were fairly long, however not the longest, and some were made with, light hafts, that would break away from the BLADE when they were used. The most common and deadly type of PIKE was actually a THROWN weapon..a Javalin..LOOKS a lot like a NS pike/stick..and in skilled hands could be thrown a tremendous distance, in excess of 110f. Javelins tend to be a bit smaller than what most people think of as a traditional pike, easier to throw a weighted peace of wood/metal that is 4feet long, than one that is 8 feet long. Ok so I am rambling. My point is that, having a thrown weapon, that has great range, and does massive damage, as well as being something only a master could use..is not that strange, historically speaking. The fact hat it has more range than a pistol...I grant that is unlikely, but , I big burly man or woman, who has trained a lifetime to wield weighted shafts of metal, will have pretty good strength, and, depending on the material of the weapon, would be extremely LIGHT and ARODYNAMIC...allowing it to fly through the air.
Anyway, just some observations. BTW if a commando can use a melee weapon that is as strong as or stronger than the weapon a master of a melee profession can use, said melee master sure as a monkey in a café, can use a ranged weapon that is equal to a master ranged weapon.
You crack me up.. You sound like you are justifying just a few people on a server having a weapon that does 60m range where every other loot afterwards will be 5m range. Either they ALL should be 60m or ALL should be 5m, if they intended it to be 60m range they would not have "patched" it back to 5m reasonable range.
Reahreic
Wed May 25, 2005 3:47 pm
#38
i agree i mean pre cu i was always visiting the ns spawns to try get an awesome pike one thats better than the rest and now post cu i dont even bother as i know that i cant get a an awesome dmg wep anymore
and as for being balanced... W T F is root u cant move i see that as a major imbalance slow our movement down yes but no glue us to the ground
Message Edited by Reahreic on 05-25-2005 06:50 PM
Message Edited by Reahreic on 05-25-2005 06:51 PM