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im wondering myself about that stuff too.

Ive got Master pikeman and master Rifleman so i think it was + 195 Block. Ive got some other skills too that give ranged defense and melee defense.

Im hardly getting hit in pvp but im wondering if its caused by ranged defense or block.

So far i tend to say that its not block, because take a Fencer - Pistoleer combo for example:

High dodge skill and if you shoot him you hardly hit because he dodges all the time. The combat window tells you that he is evading, means dodging.

If im watching my actions i dont see much that i am doing, the opponent just misses me, but im not blocking anything. That makes me think they are just missing me because of my ranged defense.

Plz correct me if im wrong.

I don't think block actually works - I can't say I've ever noticed myself blocking an attack (how the hell do you block a blaster bolt anyway?), but NPCs (particually tuskens) seem to do it a fair amount.

The block message comes up but I still seem to do regular damage to the target.

I've seen lots of high end rebel NPCs block, but the damage goes right through the block and hits them...

Defensive reactionaries are applied intoan accuracyformula similar to the onethat R/M Defense goes into. So no matter how high you go you aren't untouchable completely... but in a few cases(like 200+ dodge fencer/pistoleers) you get close enough to that that it doesn't matter.

I just completed the counter-sniping line and I can't tell if block is doing anything for me. I never get a message in my combat spam that I blocked a hit. Sometimes I will get a message that I counterattacked or that the mob bashing me missed, but that is it.

I am 4 1 4 3 in rifleman and have no other combat skills.

Does block work against melee and ranged, or does it not work at all?

I have been trolling the forums looking for some explenation of block, but I haven't found much info.

Block works.

It is listed incorrectly in your combat spam as counter attacks.

Go against some low level mobs and watch your combat spam. You should see the counter attack message pop up from time to time.

Also block will stop the damage, even though it is listed as counter attack there is no counter attack made, also counter attack for that matter does not counter attack, lastly the damage will be blocked but not states. Example would be if a bleed or KD hit, the damage from the attack would be negated but the bleed or KD effect would still pass through onto you.

Hope that helps

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Vymordryss wrote:
Block works.

It is listed incorrectly in your combat spam as counter attacks.

Go against some low level mobs and watch your combat spam. You should see the counter attack message pop up from time to time.

Also block will stop the damage, even though it is listed as counter attack there is no counter attack made, also counter attack for that matter does not counter attack, lastly the damage will be blocked but not states. Example would be if a bleed or KD hit, the damage from the attack would be negated but the bleed or KD effect would still pass through onto you.

Hope that helps

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Isn't Block supposed to halve the damage coming through as opposed to negating it like Counter-attack and Dodge?

And yes I have seen "You Counter-Attack" displayed in my combat spam albeit not that often. So it is working to some extent, just not properly I believe.

Yes, it halves the damage and it does not protect against the negative side effect(knockdown etc.) It's trash, but hey, anything is better than "rifle crawl speed" and "position up attacks" and "position up defense. Beggars can't be choosers.

Thanks for the info. I checked out the Pikeman forum for some info also. I was thinking about picking up Pikeman defenses since they should stack, but I think I will spare myself the trouble. I'm just jealous of the pistoleer / fencers dodging all of my shots. I guess rifleman are just no good for PvP.

IMOdefenses don't matter much for us anyway. I always use stealth, or stand in the back of the group to avoid geting a melee fighter up in my face anyway, so I don't have much combat spam of me getting hit.

That kinda makes sense. I've noticed moer than a few times that an enemy has "blocked" the killing blow. But they still die.

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bountyhunter229 wrote:

Thanks for the info. I checked out the Pikeman forum for some info also. I was thinking about picking up Pikeman defenses since they should stack, but I think I will spare myself the trouble. I'm just jealous of the pistoleer / fencers dodging all of my shots. I guess rifleman are just no good for PvP.

IMOdefenses don't matter much for us anyway. I always use stealth, or stand in the back of the group to avoid geting a melee fighter up in my face anyway, so I don't have much combat spam of me getting hit.

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I wouldn't go so far as to saying we are "No good for PVP", we just have to be a little more Tactical about the way we do things.. I personally like it, you don't just stand there Spamming one attack all the time.

The last time I PVP'd I teamed up with a Master B.H friend of mine and we both said.. Okay.. we are going to target Mind and Mind only.. We had the added advantage of being in the same room so we'd pick a target.. He'd hit em with Eyeshot, I'd go the Mindshot combo followed by Headshots.. and finally the Sniper Shot of course. If anyone got too close to me he'd hit em with a Knock down etc...

It worked really well and I think we took down at least 10 people before either one of us had to clone