Pikeman Archive

Maybe im just judging from the perspective of the individual; myself, instead of the class as a whole. I have never had any difficulty getting DOTS - you hunt on Daths you will get the DOTS. I have guild members who give me any DOTS they find. Myself, and I am sure many other pikemen, have arsenals of DOTS - you can stack them - the ones i carry on me can potentially stack to c.1500 mind - it annihilates. So, from my experience, an experienced Pikemen who has put in the effort to acquire these items is an inccredibly formiddable adversary - and whilst it seems strange for me define our profession based on drops - this is how the game has evolved for me(and I have always been Pikemen and probably always shall).

The only problems I have with Pikemen are the stupid things, like our magnificently working as intended Block, PH3 for its highly useful posture change... and such like. But as my pvp(and thats the perspective i present as thats what I do) has been a positive and successful I try to get the reasons for it out there - for instance I have meet many a Pike who didnt know the poisons stacked
(they probably shouldnt but they do).

But then there are heaps of stupid thing in the game, i.e im pretty sure it is impossible to kill someone who is buffed when your on auto-fire(done this pike v pike), and did it again today t21 v pistoleer - both unarmoured.
Dont really know what i am rambling on about now, oh well the mminds a haze its 4.45 in the morning...oops.

Ikewa

Message Edited by whyhellothere on 04-02-2004 08:43 AM

Actually, it's not armor, it's not buffs...

Buffs can be counteracted with buffs. Joe Schmuckatellie has buffs from his doc friends. I can get those too. I can buy brandy, canape, synthsteak, and mind buffs, just like he can.

Armor can be counteracted with armor. Wear your own armor, and you're both equally protected. And, armor has it's own drawbacks. Wearing heavy armor (padded, composite) can seriously screw with your stats. Once your buffs drop, you're in the negatives on many stats, meaning you won't be regenerating for crap, and your specials will kill you quickly.

It's when you combine the two that things get heinous. Alone, they're fine, but together, you get heavily armored walking battle tanks with nearly no cost specials.

Do I find a problem with this?

No. I can get both of the above, so can everyone else. It takes a while... I'm just looking into buying my first ever set of composite (been using ubese, which is laughable in PvP). I don't complain that everyone else has an unfair advantage because they got composite before me. I just suck up the cost and go do more missions to make up for it.

Moral of my story.. stop whining, noobs.

uh, yeah - but mind attacks are being nerfed for PvP anyway soon so the mind attack point is moot

Sutek Amon'Ra - Sunrunner

Khadim - Disgruntled Master Droid Engineer - Sunrunner

k i cant use specials with out buffs.....so i get buffs and i can so unlimited specials......

i ve tanked krayts with np, they dont even KD me, they should be able to knock me like 50m in real life and then with heavy armour on would take me a while to get up.....but i can just stand there wearing comp with buffs spaming specials till my pike bleeds

armour should have tripple encum when wearing buffs so it makes a diffrence or just make the buff slightly worse (say like 1100 instead of 2100)

i like being able to go onto dath and killing 4 protectors at the same time with area attack 2, even thou it shouldnt happen, i can do it

also do all other meele classes get a head shot type thing? as if they do how come pikeman cant?

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ScDarkKnight wrote:

Buffs and Armor ... both are definitly overpowered and give the player the ability to solo thing a GROUP should have hard time fighting ...

Buffs: No, they are pretty easy to get and everyone can use them.

Armor: Yes, not everyone can wear comp. The comps only weakness is stun. I think armor needs a revamp in which things like more weakness to the comp and new armor would be introduced. IMO a armor should never have resistans to more than 6 damage types of the 8 posible. Where only 2 of them get the highest resistens and the rest get half of what the highest is.

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Daros wrote:

Armor can be counteracted with armor. Wear your own armor, and you're both equally protected. And, armor has it's own drawbacks. Wearing heavy armor (padded, composite) can seriously screw with your stats. Once your buffs drop, you're in the negatives on many stats, meaning you won't be regenerating for crap, and your specials will kill you quickly.

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No wookies cant wear comp. Yes they have armor now but from what I heard it is not even close to the comp. Dont forget our wookie friends out there.

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UWSkeletor wrote:

If they did something with buffs, this would at least reintroduce somewhat the penalty of wearing armor, and if they fixed armor I think it would lessen somewhat the importance of mind damage. Perhaps they could do other things with armor as well, like making someone in a full suit of armor move slower or have a higher delay when firing specials.

Basically I think there needs to be a tradeoff of wearing armor, and right now there isn't one.

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I agree with you. But i think they should balance the HAM cost first before they start messing with any penalties for having buffs while wearing armor. In some professions specials have way to high cost. Lets hope they succeed with the balanceing it in the combat revamp. I get the feeling they havnt got a clue how to do it. Can there any other reason for the delay?

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Darth_Tobbe wrote:

No wookies cant wear comp. Yes they have armor now but from what I heard it is not even close to the comp. Dont forget our wookie friends out there.

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Iagree totally that buffs and armor combined have become game breaking. In comparison to the combat skills buffs and armor have become mostlymore important then which combat skill trees you have mastered.

Since this was introduced the spontanious pvp is dead, you can forget going quickly overt at the sight of an overt faction opponent and PVP without being buffed and wearing composite now if your opponent has them applied (find a doc to buff, having the right food with you and slipping into composite armor, forget the other armor and then make it in time back to the opponent before the buffs disappear)

I think it wont be easy reorganizing HAM and balancing the combat profs, because there are way too many factors which depend on the system which is implemented now (NPCs strength, buff strengths, weapon strengths). I am very ancious to see how they will try to implement the new "balanced system".

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Ta10c wrote:

k i cant use specials with out buffs.....so i get buffs and i can so unlimited specials......

i ve tanked krayts with np, they dont even KD me, they should be able to knock me like 50m in real life and then with heavy armour on would take me a while to get up.....but i can just stand there wearing comp with buffs spaming specials till my pike bleeds

armour should have tripple encum when wearing buffs so it makes a diffrence or just make the buff slightly worse (say like 1100 instead of 2100)

i like being able to go onto dath and killing 4 protectors at the same time with area attack 2, even thou it shouldnt happen, i can do it

also do all other meele classes get a head shot type thing? as if they do how come pikeman cant?

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Message Edited by spoiledbrat on 04-05-2004 01:25 PM

Not to flame or anything, but I also think that i have to disagree on the buffs and armor is too powerful thing here guys, cus i watch people die all the time with them

As a Master Doc I always buff the people in my group then watch loads of people fall on thier bum's and die lol.Over 2k buff's and 80% kentic comp don't mean a thing. You stillhave to knowhow to use them.Just cus you are buff'd to 2/3k stats and have a 300k set of comp does not mean you are god and can kill all. The people that solo these places / mobs are using the tools which they have, ie. armor, doc buffs, food and weapons. If you know how and when to use these, you can pretty much do anything solo in this game, at worst in a group of 3. In my eyes being buff'd is a safty net incase the mob / player gets the better of you when you press a wrong button, or get aggro'd or bum-rushed by a group. As a Master Fencer I could solo a Tusken Warlord with no problems, buff'd and unbuff'd.How, well being fencer help'd Having a tool barloadedwith BEbrandy and BE damage reducing food also helped at the time. I used to get buff'd, don my 80% comp or 73% ubase,steam into a pack of Bull Rancors and get owned with a capitol "O" and cloned with a capitol "C" until I learn't how to useboththe buffand the armor to work for me.You ever get hit in the hands? So why equip theheavy gloves?As for Stun / Mind damage, take one 50% fill Brandy, then use a shot of 50% or less filling blue milk to heal, job done. Doing stun damage is not the be all and end all.

You say that these are game busters. Nope. Am a Human toon ingame, with 17master badges and counting. Tell me this, how can a CorSec Trooper in Coronet have 2.5k ham and be a Human like me? But then, how come when was a Master TK i could kick a Tusken in the "Nads" for 3k, but cus i have no scout skills, ittook my strong 3k "nad" kicking master TK legs 2mins to walk me up a small hill? Also, I can no longer KD Dizzy, but Nightsisters, Tuskens, even Rho Kwi's can?!? These are game busters.

I guess what I am trying to say is, don't "Dis" the people who know what they are doing and know how to use these tools that are in this game to help them. Just being buff'd and having comp armor don't mean a thing.

Not to flame or anything, but I also think that i have to disagree on the buffs and armor is too powerful thing here guys, cus i watch people die all the time with them

As a Master Doc I always buff the people in my group then watch loads of people fall on thier bum's and die lol.Over 2k buff's and 80% kentic comp don't mean a thing. You stillhave to knowhow to use them.Just cus you are buff'd to 2/3k stats and have a 300k set of comp does not mean you are god and can kill all. The people that solo these places / mobs are using the tools which they have, ie. armor, doc buffs, food and weapons. If you know how and when to use these, you can pretty much do anything solo in this game, at worst in a group of 3. In my eyes being buff'd is a safty net incase the mob / player gets the better of you when you press a wrong button, or get aggro'd or bum-rushed by a group. As a Master Fencer I could solo a Tusken Warlord with no problems, buff'd and unbuff'd.How, well being fencer help'd Having a tool barloadedwith BEbrandy and BE damage reducing food also helped at the time. I used to get buff'd, don my 80% comp or 73% ubase,steam into a pack of Bull Rancors and get owned with a capitol "O" and cloned with a capitol "C" until I learn't how to useboththe buffand the armor to work for me.You ever get hit in the hands? So why equip theheavy gloves?As for Stun / Mind damage, take one 50% fill Brandy, then use a shot of 50% or less filling blue milk to heal, job done. Doing stun damage is not the be all and end all.

You say that these are game busters. Nope. Am a Human toon ingame, with 17master badges and counting. Tell me this, how can a CorSec Trooper in Coronet have 2.5k ham and be a Human like me? But then, how come when was a Master TK i could kick a Tusken in the "Nads" for 3k, but cus i have no scout skills, ittook my strong 3k "nad" kicking master TK legs 2mins to walk me up a small hill? Also, I can no longer KD Dizzy, but Nightsisters, Tuskens, even Rho Kwi's can?!? These are game busters.

I guess what I am trying to say is, don't "Dis" the people who know what they are doing and know how to use these tools that are in this game to help them. Just being buff'd and having comp armor don't mean a thing.

Sorry about the Dbl post. Damn mouse