Pikeman Archive

Thread: State of the Profession time

EPF
Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:41 pm
#14


Kivrin, Iridescence, thank you for bringing this up.


I have for a long time been upset about the fact that the new weapon damage system really suck! As it is now it doesn't matter at all what type of weapon you are using, just pick your most damaging one.


In the old game I always used to check the mobs to see what their weak point was and hammer that out. Although the pikemanhad a very narrow array of weapons, namely kinetic and electricity, the pikemanwas still kind of unique in their ability to do electricity damage with the VL. Only the commando and the BH could do electricity damage and theyare both ranged.


For the veteran pikeman there were also the goal to get that nice NSELthat would pretty much make the pikeman complete by adding energy damage to the list. Well, ok! The double DoT was nice as well . Anyway the point I'm trying to make is that the NSEL was similar to what the scythe blade (kinetic) meant to theswordsman, the Tenlos DXR6b rifle (acid)meant to the rifleman, or what the GEO blaster (stun) meant for the pistoleer, etc. It would sort of complete the profession with those... not so common weapons because they all had different damage types compared to the normal weapons.


This issue with the weapon damage types is not just a pikeman issue it's very much an issue for all combat professions IMHO.


The elemental damage that exist on some weapons isnothing but a big joke! Be lucky if it even counts for 10% of the damage the weapon does. I remember when I made my first (and last...) electric polearm (have a WS alt.), it came out with close to 500 base dmg. and 50 elec. dmg. I happily started experimenting on the elemental line only to see that it increases VERY slowly, like only a few points per exp. point!! I stopped at 58 elemental damage I think. The few remaining exp. points I spent on the base damage, I quite easily got that close to 600. So what was this thing again... an electricpolearm? Nah, don't think so >(.


I think it's time to take a good look at the weapon damage system! Reinstating the old weapon damage systemminus DoT's would make my day .


Weapon certifications! Why isn't the VL a pikeman only weapon? Most other professions have their top level weapon tied to the master title. On my server I see alot of players walking around with nice high damage VL's when I know that they don't even have polearms I.



Eole... Grumpy old PikeWoman...




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darmokVtS
Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:22 am
#15

Highs:

Very fun to play, a good part of an efficient PvE tank template

Lows:

Of all the existing polearms the vibrolance is the weapon of choice... can we pretty please get some of our really awesome looking weapons (LVA, NSEL) as the weapon of chocie instead of the rather dull vibrolance ?

/areataunt should be a pike special, not a swordsman special as of their defined roles




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emmite
Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:16 am
#16

I think we should have some kind of root or snare move where we can push melee enemys out of the way,in real lifethe advantage of having a pike is that you cankeep enemys away from you. we should have some kind of move where we can advantage of having longer weapons thenall the other melee players.Other than that and the poor animations i think pikeman is a great profession and its really cool to be able to carry pikes around ( althoughI would prefer that we have a pike that requires a certification, just to set us apart from all the people who want to carry around a pike but dont wantto grind the profesion).
Hulke
Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:05 pm
#17



Good: Defense, multiple state effects(some of which need to be fixed)


Bad: Weapons tend to be a little on the low side of damage, Armor break really needs to last longer, We need more kinds of weapons(a vibrolance is all any pikeman would use), Area taunt?(Advanced tank class really should have a way to hold group agro), we need root recovery


Ill edit as I think of more!

Message Edited by Hulke on 07-15-2005 03:05 PM

Wombatula
Sat Jul 16, 2005 4:15 am
#18






Nerf_Happy wrote:

Next, I have been pikeman for nearly 3 and a half years. Um you sure about that number bud?




and yes I am trolling, your point is?





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Nerf_Happy
Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:40 am
#19







Wombatula wrote:






Nerf_Happy wrote:

Next, I have been pikeman for nearly 3 and a half years. Um you sure about that number bud?




and yes I am trolling, your point is?






*shrug*People make typos, it's only 2 and a halfIt was about 2 AM when I posted this, I didn't go through and correct everything.



(edited) I guess I am mistaken. It's only 2 years. My bad



Message Edited by Nerf_Happy on 07-16-2005 12:49 PM




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Wombatula
Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:49 am
#20






Nerf_Happy wrote:






Wombatula wrote:






Nerf_Happy wrote:

Next, I have been pikeman for nearly 3 and a half years. Um you sure about that number bud?




and yes I am trolling, your point is?






*shrug* people make typo's, it's 2 and a half years. It was about 2 AM when I posted this, I didn't go through and correct everything.





And it was even later then, and I was trolling, so there.




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Nerf_Happy
Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:50 am
#21









Wombatula wrote:



And it was even later then, and I was trolling, so there.








Depends on where your at. It was 2 AM for me . It dosn't really matter anyways. The whole point of the message was to put in my 2 cents on what I thought about Pikeman.

Message Edited by Nerf_Happy on 07-16-2005 12:51 PM




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Wombatula
Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:52 am
#22






Nerf_Happy wrote:









Wombatula wrote:



And it was even later then, and I was trolling, so there.








Depends on where your at. It was 2 AM for me . It dosn't really matter anyways. The whole point of the message was to put in my 2 cents on what I thought about Pikeman.

Message Edited by Nerf_Happy on 07-16-2005 12:51 PM




4:15am for me! PWNED!!!!!




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Nerf_Happy
Sat Jul 16, 2005 11:58 am
#23









Wombatula wrote:



4:15am for me! PWNED!!!!!








doh! I got pwned!




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Nerf_Happy
Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:23 pm
#24



First of all, pikeman is the best class in the game .


Next, I have been pikeman for nearly2 and a half years. I have always been in love witrh the proffession and never wish to change.With CU, there are some good, and some bad things I would like to add.


good things: Pikemans, along with another melee proffession make a very stout tank for PvE and PvP. We can 'ok' CC, you can area KD and allow people to get back a bit. The ability to keep multiple states on them to lower their damage, spd, etc. Decent damage output if you have a good weapon, and use the right combination of special attacks. All around well rounded class.


Bad things: I agree with all the people, we need a larger selection of weapons. All melee do. Ranged prof's get quite a few new weapons with the addition of ROtW weapons. Pikeman get the Trando Lance, Kashyyyk Hunter, and Kamonian Great Staff (sorry if I left out a couple other). The NSEL's need an upgrade. post-cu NSEL's are no where near as good as they used to be. The effect should last longer on them as well. Pikeman have no form of root/snare, or root/snare recovery. If we get hit with a snare, we get to stand there and heal, and attempt to chase them down. If we get rooted, we get to just stand their and heal, while they get to run 35-85m (depending on weapon, or ranged arms) and continue to shoot at us. If they get a snare in while we try to close in that range, there is no way we are going to catch up to them. May I suggest some sort of snare off a special? or a short duration root? The animations as well need a bit of an upgrade . In my opinion, I see the pikeman's role as to tank and CC, we get area KD, intim, warcry, and other states. It is tough to keep agro on things and tank though, there is a10-15 sec (I think) downtime on the taunt. I would like to see an area taunt, with a faster downtime, or an area intim. I know I'm dreaming on some of these things, but hey, it could happen


I will add more things that I like/dislike about post-cu pikeman as I go along. Hope it's possible to address some of these issues.


Message Edited by Nerf_Happy on 07-16-2005 12:36 PM

Message Edited by Nerf_Happy on 07-16-2005 12:41 PM




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antares_Kauri
Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:36 pm
#25

I dislike the weapon impact "sounds" - they're way too muffled. I prefer the older metal-clunking sound. It had more substance.

antares



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Nerf_Happy
Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:42 pm
#26

Oo! yes, the sounds, lol, I loved the old sound effects.




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