Pikeman Archive

According to people on the Test Center, all knockdown moves have had their HAM costs TRIPLED! My Sweep1 already takes 200 health, I can't imagine 600 health per sweep. SilverSurfer, please tell me this doesn't apply for Pikeman!

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=TestCenter&message.id=5854&highlight=#M5854

man thats a bit nuts. it only takes 180 from me but i can hardly spam it as it is unless i want to heal myself every 4-5 times i use it. hopefully this will only apply to ranged professions and not the melee because our ham costa are high enough as it is.

As far as I know it applies to ALL professions ranged and melee. If its any consolation though we ranged types are more than a little concerned as well. At least you guys won't have to fear ranged knockdowns quite as much though.

I'm in the dark just as you guys are, and I am still waiting to hear from them on my last msg. I have posted one general response on the board from SOE here:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=pikeman&message.id=723

Although, I would guess that it is so

Khrim...

One thing I've noticed is that those numbers that pop above your head seem to have no bearing on the actual HAM cost. For me a knockdown costs around 70 action yet the number reports in the 200s. The number might be what the cost is before its adjusted for stamina. If polearm sweep actually cost that 200 I don't think it would be worth it for its short knockdown time.

I think those are the total taken from all HAM.

Use a different weapon for knockdown. I'm assuming the scaling is still based on the HAM costs associated with what weapon you use. I always use my reinforced staff for knockdown then switch to VL for hitting. If it's still so bad I may pick up a wooden staff just for this purpose.

Bounder is correct. At least this is the case for me as a TKA. I must unequip my VK's in order to use any styles including KD or the HAM costs become staggering as it stands even now. Find your lowest HAM ecumberance weapon and equip it for sweeps.

I think a great way to balance Melee with Ranged and make Melee stronger in melee situations is to not reduce the knockdown HAM costs for Melee attacks. Ranged knockdowns can affect anyone 64m and closer. Melee knockdowns affect, what, 5m? or is it 15m? Anyway if we have equall knockdown HAM costs it is unequall for ranged to have greater range. To balance, i think we should, through the correspondant, suggest that Melee knckdowns be less HAM cost than ranged.

Like we all know should happen is in melee combat a Melee fighter shouls have advantage. At a distance it should be ranged, of course.

I would also propose a fix to change ranged knockdown would be to give more kncokdown defense and more defensive tactics to Melee fighters. I mean really, Does it make sence that a pistoleer should be able to walk up to a Pikeman and knckdown the pikeman? no. The pikeman should have a great Melee defense to and ranged knockdown of this nature because if the Pistoleer gets close to the Pikeman there is this very large vibrating stick that will come into contact with his leg and ambutate it.

But then again, I am using logical reasoning too much. Maybe that is where I keep going wrong.

I tested out the knockdown defense with a tka friend.
I could chain knockdown him and he could me and we both have master defensive tech. Next tried a person with advanced unarmed and they did lunge, I am on my knees. So much for that defense working.

What?! I will die if they push this! I'll be doing more damage to myself for knocking someone down than they could do to me if I let them stay up! I will not be able to solo imps anymore! Nooooo nooo nooo nooo nooo nooo nooo nooo.... I mean they should still put up knockdown ham costs for tka but pikeman already have high knockdown costs! Nooo noo noo noo noo... /sob... noo nooo nooo... /shout I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GRIND XP OFF OF THOSE HIGHER LEVEL NPCS ANYMORE!!! /whisper I'll get SOE for this... heh heh...

The news about the HAM costs for melee tripling is very dishearting. Pikeman above all classes are at a large disadvantage when it comes to doing any special moves, especialy knockdowns. We are literly killing ourselves to use the moves that we have worked so hard to get, so whats the point in having specials if we can't use them effectively in combat?I, like most other pikeman, use acombat staff for my knockdown moves. Although this technique is rather effective it makes the gamequite anoying androbs combat of any fun that it might contain. The HAM cost for pikeman are already rediculously high and we don't need an increase. PLEASE x_silversurffer make our voices heard.HAM cost should be our top priority! I agree that the accuracy stinks but missingeverynow and then wouldn't be a big deal if it didn't cost me 200 health points to do it. FIX THE HAM COSTS

Boon,Master Pikeman, Lowca

thats what i said. Much less HAM costs if we miss. say 25%. And they CANNOT raise our HAM at all. If they do it would simply be TOO much.