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Foomerang

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:21 pm

Im CL80, I was dueling the other night and nearly lost to a CL 71. He was a swordsman and he was hitting me really hard. In fact, his critical strike was hitting just as hard as crit strikes from CL 80 swordsmen. I checked the combat log and over the couse of about a 3 minute fight, he missed twice. He was not grouped with anyone and was landing nearly all of his hits and hitting as hard as a CL80. I know this is how the game is working right now, but my question is SHOULD this be the way its supposed to work? Is really the ONLY benefit to CL 80 being able to solo pve better?

I just think its kind of lame.If I'm 9 levels higher than someone, that should actually mean something besides just seeingthe number 80 by my bar. Im getting to the point where I may just say screw it and become a dabbler. the health difference between 71 and 80 is a non issue.

Is there any indication anywhere on the forums or by the devs that combat level is going to become more important?

dfodi

Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:47 pm

#2

CL has nothing to do with PVP. There are alot of melee templates that will make you CL71 and are better than any double master template in pvp. For example, watch the now famous "Tanking 101" video.

Geitiak Siako
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Steegee

Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:42 pm

#3

there's no rumors of change as of yet. I doubt they will change it either, since then it would exclude newer players from the GCW. As it stands now, there's hardly any GCW, just a bunch of gank groups running around.

However i do agree with ya... higher levels should mean more in pvp. After all didn't they say GCW was high end content?

Message Edited by Steegee on 10-05-2005 05:46 PM

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Foomerang

Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:34 pm

#4

here's a thought: why dont the devs throw in some CL80 cert weapons? make them better than the cl50 weps and even the master cl weps.

I would feel better about it if they had that.

jamMaa

Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:41 pm

#5

Foomerang wrote:
here's a thought: why dont the devs throw in some CL80 cert weapons? make them better than the cl50 weps and even the master cl weps.
I would feel better about it if they had that.

So would everyone. Why should i be nerfed ebcause you ALMOST lost to a dabbler. I love my template and how I use it and if you beat me you earned same likewise. Level is more of a indication. Just because necrosis is 94 doesn't mean an 80 TK can't solo him.

IMO this isn't a good reason to whine because he almost beat you because his template was how he plays. You beat him, good job but this just sounds like shouting nerf to me and you will nerfing most pikeman. i would really hate to have to double master as those templates aren't what I like. I am guessing teh swordsman was something like...

Mswords xxx4 fencer x1x4 TK and 4xxx doctor. A solid accuracy template but the defense sucks. Hell, maybe he ahd some other things but thats my guess

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dfodi

Wed Oct 05, 2005 7:01 pm

#6

/agree ...I shouldnt be punished because you want to be lvl 80 for PVE

Message Edited by dfodi on 10-05-2005 07:02 PM

Geitiak Siako
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Jmasta-hibe

Wed Oct 05, 2005 9:34 pm

#7

It should have no effect in PvP.That would rule out alot of unique templates, no need for that.

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jamMaa

Thu Oct 06, 2005 6:37 am

#8

Jmasta-hibe wrote:
It should have no effect in PvP. That would rule out alot of unique templates, no need for that.

you would see alot of Tk Pike 4xxx's then if they did that....

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Foomerang

Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:21 am

#9

Im not whining, im not crying nerf. Im saying that according to the guys template his accuracy should have sucked like you pointed out, but it didnt. Im saying that there is no damage penalty in pvp from fighting someone 9 lvl's higher than you, but there is in pve.

I would be happy if they added unique CL 80 weps, or double mastery weps, but to be honest, id also be happy if they got rid of combat levels altogether. since getting rid of CL would technically be a nerf, i would rather have the CL80 weps implemented.

I like the fact that you can dabble and be effective, it lets people customize the way they want to build their character. But the truth is that a dabbled sub 80 template is stronger than double elite 80. Yeah I beat the guy, just barely, but ive also been playing pikeman for over 2 years and have done a large ammount of pvp. this guy admitted only having dueled a couple times after our fight. Now it could be one of a few things there: he's lying tosave facefor his loss, he's horrible at pvp, or he was legit. In any case, the numbers from the combat log dont lie. If I fought someone better with that template, Im pretty sure Id lose.

trifidac

Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:42 am

#10

Dabbling for the win, seriously...

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antares_Kauri

Thu Oct 06, 2005 3:31 pm

#11

There hasn't been any dev discussions of this that I'm aware of, but I brought the question up. If anything comes of it, I'll let you know.

antares

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jamMaa

Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:11 pm

#12

Foomerang wrote:
Im not whining, im not crying nerf. Im saying that according to the guys template his accuracy should have sucked like you pointed out, but it didnt. Im saying that there is no damage penalty in pvp from fighting someone 9 lvl's higher than you, but there is in pve.

I would be happy if they added unique CL 80 weps, or double mastery weps, but to be honest, id also be happy if they got rid of combat levels altogether. since getting rid of CL would technically be a nerf, i would rather have the CL80 weps implemented.

I like the fact that you can dabble and be effective, it lets people customize the way they want to build their character. But the truth is that a dabbled sub 80 template is stronger than double elite 80. Yeah I beat the guy, just barely, but ive also been playing pikeman for over 2 years and have done a large ammount of pvp. this guy admitted only having dueled a couple times after our fight. Now it could be one of a few things there: he's lying to save face for his loss, he's horrible at pvp, or he was legit. In any case, the numbers from the combat log dont lie. If I fought someone better with that template, Im pretty sure Id lose.

sounds good but also keep in mind swordsman have 110 accuracy to our 65... 75 speed to our 45. They are offense. Now myself, I have not met a swordsman who was a challenge but that could change. Hell, I tanked a "good" swordsman with no armor

. Anyways now that we are clear on the non nerf thing, you should think about no double mastery. Obviously if you are MtkMpikes atleast get AB slcied armor, it helps bundles. If I was Mtk I would still wear RIS

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Foomerang

Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:44 pm

#13

I would change my temp to a more effective cl71 or 69 if i could still solo pve effectively. its weird that way.I can tank necrosisas an80, but I canhave a more effectivepvp templateas a 71. that same cl 71 template will get completely owned by necro. seems bass ackwards to me.

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