Pikeman Archive
Thread: Do Ranged & Melee Def Matter?
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Maztag
Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:47 pm
#1
I was, up untill ery recently under the impression that ranged and melee def do matter awhole lot. But i've heard alot of people saying that in PvP and somewhat in PvE, that they dont matter at all. Does anybody know for sure? because that would be a big help in planning my skills.
Iridescence
Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:42 am
#2
I would sure say that they matter. As I understand it Melee and Ranged defenses directly subtract from the opponent's accuracy.. and have you ever tried to hit a master fencer defense stacker as a Master Pikeman with NO accuracy attachments?
-Miss-
-Miss-
-Miss-
-112
-Miss
+Dodge+
-Miss-
+Dodge+
-52
Form your own conclusions.
-Miss-
-Miss-
-Miss-
-112
-Miss
+Dodge+
-Miss-
+Dodge+
-52
Form your own conclusions.
Nyyxx
Fri Mar 11, 2005 11:50 am
#3
low end PVE : yes
mid PVE: yes
high end PVE: NO high end mobs don't miss hardly at all. (krayts, elders, nyax, etc)
PVP: most definitely
+100 is the breaking point. over that great, under that it doesn't help much imo.
+125 is cap
when you are 125 and add air cake or pikatta pie it's wonderful.
VacaXXX
Fri Mar 11, 2005 3:27 pm
#4
i just fight. . . . . Fencers a weak now that i have a good Stun PSG.........
Xalabaar
Fri Mar 11, 2005 7:14 pm
#5
VacaXXX wrote:
i just fight. . . . . Fencers a weak now that i have a good Stun PSG.........
that's always good 
a perfect ADK PSG and 40% stun armor is embaressing for them
BizzyNinja
Sat Mar 12, 2005 1:10 am
#6
Iridescence wrote:
I would sure say that they matter. As I understand it Melee and Ranged defenses directly subtract from the opponent's accuracy.. and have you ever tried to hit a master fencer defense stacker as a Master Pikeman with NO accuracy attachments?
-Miss-
-Miss-
-Miss-
-112
-Miss
+Dodge+
-Miss-
+Dodge+
-52
Form your own conclusions.
/Intimidate
/area2 for the stun
/raise
Jaydie
Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:38 am
#7
High End PVE: Don't waste your time stacking defenses. Sword/Doc or Sword/Pike/Medic are the best solo profs.
PVP: Defense stacking is great against conventional damage attacks, but you will suffer against Combat Medic DOTs unless you have a pocket doc following you around.
At the moment, melee/ranged defense can be skill stacked up to the 125 cap. Then you can add an additional +25 from attatchments. Then boost it even more with vegepersine (melee defense food), and the ranged defense food (forgot the name). All in all, you can get your defenses to about 175+, which is higher than most profession's natural accuracy (especially jedi). TKM's and BH/Carb/Pistol Kings won't have a problem hitting you though since their accuracy is well over 175.
Overall, I don't recommend stacking defenses unless you are a fencer with an uber stun baton and a surplus of docs and cm's to heal you.
PVP: Defense stacking is great against conventional damage attacks, but you will suffer against Combat Medic DOTs unless you have a pocket doc following you around.
At the moment, melee/ranged defense can be skill stacked up to the 125 cap. Then you can add an additional +25 from attatchments. Then boost it even more with vegepersine (melee defense food), and the ranged defense food (forgot the name). All in all, you can get your defenses to about 175+, which is higher than most profession's natural accuracy (especially jedi). TKM's and BH/Carb/Pistol Kings won't have a problem hitting you though since their accuracy is well over 175.
Overall, I don't recommend stacking defenses unless you are a fencer with an uber stun baton and a surplus of docs and cm's to heal you.
LucentFoE
Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:24 am
#8
Since block is broken, and even if you block you still take damage.. I'd say yes it does matter. because they will miss you more times than they would hit you.
Nyyxx
Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:56 am
#9
LucentFoE wrote:
Since block is broken, and even if you block you still take damage.. I'd say yes it does matter. because they will miss you more times than they would hit you.
how is it broken? It is designed to reduce damage by 50% and does not stop states.
It sucks, yes, but that is how it is intended to work
LucentFoE
Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:38 pm
#10
Nyyxx wrote:
LucentFoE wrote:
Since block is broken, and even if you block you still take damage.. I'd say yes it does matter. because they will miss you more times than they would hit you.how is it broken? It is designed to reduce damage by 50% and does not stop states.
It sucks, yes, but that is how it is intended to work
dodge >> takes no damage
counterattack >> takes no damage
Block >> 50% damage reduction??
to me its broken, im sure its working as intended, but the devs are retarded if they think that blocking something only reduces damage, seems to me a polearm can do more than just reduce damage. but basically what i was getting at is that more ranged and melle defense will definetly help reduce the amount of hits you take
Nyyxx
Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:19 pm
#11
yup, short end of the polearm.. 
If I recall dodge is the only one that even bypasses states.
counterattack> no damage, but states go through, better toughness than us
block> 50% dmg + states
dodge> no damage, no states, better toughness than us
enjoy,
I still love pikeman regaurdless.
Maztag
Tue Mar 15, 2005 6:14 pm
#12
LucentFoE wrote:
Nyyxx wrote:
LucentFoE wrote:
Since block is broken, and even if you block you still take damage.. I'd say yes it does matter. because they will miss you more times than they would hit you.
how is it broken? It is designed to reduce damage by 50% and does not stop states.
It sucks, yes, but that is how it is intended to work
dodge >> takes no damage
counterattack >> takes no damage
Block >> 50% damage reduction??
to me its broken, im sure its working as intended, but the devs are retarded if they think that blocking something only reduces damage, seems to me a polearm can do more than just reduce damage. but basically what i was getting at is that more ranged and melle defense will definetly help reduce the amount of hits you take
actuly im fairly sure that with counterattack you still take the damage but reflect part of it back to the attacker, at least thats how it worked awhile ago, mite have changed
Oss_Wilum
Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:31 pm
#13
counterattack is supposed to work this way:
You avoid the attack and counter with an unblockable attack
currently, it works like this:
You just avoid the attack, no damage, c'est possiblé qu'onencore prends l'etats
and block just sux.
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