Pikeman Archive

Thread: I am finally ticked off at the devs lack of attention to Pikeman.

atimes
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:23 am
#1

This is long but I like to be through in my thoughts.


I just went through that thread in the Swordsman forum about their new scythe. I'm happy for them and may even pick up the profession just to try it out. However reading the thread and seeing ThunderHeart's response to their complaints and seeing antares counter argument was the straw that broke the camel's back for this former pikeman (around page 3 or 4 I think). I've been trying to find the time to get back into this profession (really I have) but I keep asking myself "what's the point" when it's the most ignored profession in the game. My time is limited and I want to enjoy every minute of online play (that's the point in a game right). I know that grinding up the first few boxes of pikeman without that +30 accuracy box will be a nightmare so I haven't gotten back in yet.


I'm tired of empty promises from the devs. When the Jedi can just whine about permadeath and get it fixed and in A SINGLE THREAD swordsman can complain about the "horrible range mods" of the new scythe and ThunderHearts pops in and says "ok guys we fixed the range mods" when we can't get ours fixed. . . well it just ticks me off.


Save the empty promises ThunderHeart and don't even bother responding to this thread if you ever see it (you won't) because I won't believe what you say. You mean well but when it comes to this profession YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE. Despite Gunam21's hard work you and the development staff don't have a clue. Do you have any idea how frustruating it is to level up in Pikeman without that first accuracy box? No you probably don't. Gunman has doen an outstanding job of letting you know what our problems are but when I see what went on in that thread (and yeah I'm aware of our famous 10 questions) it really really ticks me off. Devs how hard can it be to change a -55 to a +10 or something. Is it that hard? You've said it's not intended but 7 MONTHS LATER we still have to DEAL with it every time we log in. Does it get better. . .yeah eventually but still WHY is it this way to begin with? You have said it's not intended, we abhor it, you have said you would fix it, so FIX it already.


The Pikeman profession while very fun has been hurting in this game for 7 months. When we see that kind of attention being lavished on other professions while absolutely nothing is done to fix this one it makes us apathetic. I've been a Carbineer, Bounty Hunter, TKA, master brawler, dabbled in swordsman and a 4-3-1-4 Pikeman. Pikeman is the most borked combat profession in the game hands down. The profession is an absolute nightmare before the first +30 accuracy box. . . an absolute nightmare. When a profession can get an experimental weapon fixed in a single thread and another profession that has been begging for the same fix for 7 months can't get diddly that ticks people off.


Antares is clearly hands down the most respected Pikeman in all of Star Wars Galaxies. . . even more than our excellent correspondant. His posts lately have taken on a very negative tone and I haven't checked the pikeman combat in concept to see if he's posted. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out why he's upset. Junk like this tends to do that to a person dedicated to their profession. I stand by what I said in that Pikeman combat concept thread. If you want to make pikeman viable take whatever antares says as GOSPEL.


We ain't happy and personally I don't even want to see a red name post here because it'll be more of the same.


Tell you what. I'll believe you actually give a rip about us when I see something meaningful relating to this profession in the patch notes.
ArkMindSpear
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:27 am
#2

make the pain go away.....



My vision for TKAs....
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=68040
atimes
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:31 am
#3

am I a pain?


Geez I hope not.


Ceroshin
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:35 am
#4

Better than being nerfed...



"Very true, if there was one thing that Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, and Castro all had in common, it was their total and absolute hatred of helvectica fonts."
--Welwood

"Dad...The Combat Balance ran away...the Devs can't seem to find it"
--Garvin
MavilDune3333
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:36 am
#5

well said. WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET A GOD **edit** **edit**ING BREAK IN THIS GAME????? WHAT THE HELL DO WE HAVE TO DO FOR THEM TO THROW US A **edit**ING BONE?????







Vilam Dune
MavilDune3333
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:38 am
#6

Is it possible to nerf us? The only thing they could do to hurt us would make all pikes regardless of materials used have a durability of 1/1. **edit** I shouldn't have said that.



Vilam Dune
atimes
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:40 am
#7

Wait. I forgot something


Tell you what. I'll believe you actually give a rip about us when I see something meaningful relating to this profession in the patch notes.


Should read



Tell you what. I'll believe you actually give a rip about us when I see something meaningful relating to this profession in the patch notes and the fixes actually make it in


I'm reminded of the BH "fixes" that were listed in patch notes but never made it in.


Oh and about being nerfed. Take some time and REALLY think about it. The only true bonafide combat profession specific nerf was the Rifleman's T21. That's literally about it. CH's were rebalanced to keep dabblers from having the power of masters and knockdowns were nerfed across the board for all professions. To be honest with you if you were to sit down and think about true nerfs (and not just whines and complaints about what people think was "nerfed") you honestly won't find that many.

antares_Kauri
Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:52 am
#8

I don't know if I would go that far just yet...Hehe, there are plenty of people here who have better things to say than I do. Things have been looking bleak lately with the general combat changes in the works that seem to mean less effectiveness on our parts, the rapid response to Jedi issues ($$$), and some other things, but Thunderheart posting in here yesterday, along with a small joke by Q-3PO somehow made me, personally, feel better. I'm very much looking forward to the 10 Questions being answered (with real answers).


When TH said that they fixed the range mods on the scythe...ugh. But perhaps there is some better reason that they haven't fixed the LVA because it is already live and making a change would require some deeper modifications that they aren't prepared to make. It's difficult to think of what kind of changes that would be, that would push back a change for so long, as it seems like a fairly easy thing to fix to me. But who knows,we don't have a copy of the source.


I think Gunman has done an extremelygreat job of using his Correspondent powersto increase our visibility so we're appearing on the Dev Terminals.Maybe we will see some action soon on our issues, the 10 questions should be a nice catalyst, and with him backing us up, I think we might have the chance of seeing some change. But...if they waiver more, give us non-chalant, circular responses and continue this run-around...well, we've been ignored for a long time already, much too long.



antares
master pikeman





|Pikeman non-stop since July, 2003|
|combatUpgrade::alpha :: JTL::beta :: RotW::beta :: ToOW::beta|
SOE Producer Dallas Dickinson says:
"I mean, what is a pikeman and why is it something in the game?"
Gunman21
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:12 pm
#9

I hadn't even seen the swordsman thread.


I've sent TH a nasty.




Aidelon Kejaci
Legends Among Warriors

Former pikeman correspondent December 2003 - August 2005.

R.I.P. Pikeman!

atimes
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:21 pm
#10

Well I know they could fix it. Remember the famous pass to heavy weapons that fixed the LLC and the flamethrower? I'm a Bounty Hunter remember? I remember the BH's complaints about the "craptastic" pre patch LLC. It was a fixed and it took a major publish to do it but it was fixed


If they fixed it and didn't make it retroactive (meaning you had to buy new lances) NONE of us would complain.


They can do it, they just haven't. I think they don't have a clue as to how bad this profession can be. They can't because if they knew how bad it was something would have been done. I honestly believe they don't know how horrible the LVA is at pre pikeman levels. I mean you virtually have to get +100 accuracy to make the weapon useable. That's just wrong and it shouldn't persist after half a year. I was beginning to think that "maybe things will be better" then I see that thread from the swordsman forums. In the back of my mind I'm thinking "Isn't TH a master brawler on some server somewhere. . . what in the world did the man DO to level to polerams 4. How could the man not see just how HORRIBLE it was?" The lance is a good weapon but compared to some of the swordsman weapons (it's slower and has no armor piercing) it's pretty sad. That's the point. Our weapons are sad, our defenses are sad and our accuracy is sad. All we have going for us is we look really really sweet with our specials and our damage while not the best is very good (when we connect)


It's just very very annoying to be ignored like this. Even with the combat pass we still don't have much hope. Gee does another "fix" to accuracy mean that we'll get another +10 in our boxes? How does that help the pikeman noobs out there struggling to get to novice pikeman?


I want the devs to PLAY pikeman. I want them to create a novice brawler on some server and actually PLAY the profession. I want them to see what it's like to be the only combat profession in the game that has to struggle through the firstfew boxes of their profession with artisan grind quality weapons. Do you realize that EVERY single brawler weapon in this game past novice brawler is craftable only by a weaponsmith EXCEPT for our first few weapons? I want them to see what it's like to be forced to level up to Novice Pikeman with just the lance and artisan grind quality weapons. I want them to see what it's like to play with a LVA BEFORE you get the first accuracy box. I want them to SEE what it's like to play this profession in the early stages when it's HORRIBLE. I want them to know the frustration of missing 5-6 times in a row while having a weapon with anattack speed of 6.1 and only a +10 speed mod.


Have them do that THEN come and talk to me about wanting everything to be fun in this game.


Fixes are very very slow in this game. My greatest fear is that the combat pass will come and go and pikeman will still be borked and we'll have to live with it for another year. I hope I'm proven wrong.
OutbackWookiee
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:31 pm
#11

Man, you're really pissed off.


I like you.






LegwandLongfellow
MasterPikeman/Brawler
TKA/Fencer/HeavySwordsman
There'sabigblackholegonnaeatmeupsomeday
Somedayfadesaway,likeamemory


atimes
Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:38 pm
#12

LOL


I sound much more ticked than I actually am.


I just want the devs to TRULY understand that this profession in the early stages is very very lacking. I also want them to just play the profession.


Pikeman is a lot of fun but it doesn't BECOME fun until you get that first accuracy box and a few speed boxes. That is wrong. There are major problems with the profession but they can be EASILY fixed. All you have to do is change a -55 to a +10 or something like that and boom a ton of our problems go away. Who needs defense when you can drop pretty much anything in 2 hits . It's actually connecting those 2 hits that's currently the problem.


I see the swordsman's awesome weapons with a max damage of 200 and speeds of 2.1 with medium armor piercing and I drool and think "why can't pikeman have weapons that great". Why does our selection of weapons have to be limited to a slow AP2 weapon, a slow AP1 weapon or a slow AP0 weapon? Why can't we get a fast AP1 or AP2 weapon and why can't our exotic damage type weapon be AP2?


See things like that you don't get a grasp for and realize unless you play the profession. On paper maybe our weapons do work out well. In practice though the weapon's leave much to be desired.

MavilDune3333
Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:29 pm
#13

I looked at the dates on the inconcept thread for pikeman and it said something like Jan 22-April. Please tell me we don't have to wait till April to get anything done. I love pikeman when i have buffs, armor, and food and I actually connect otherwise it's a death trap.


I like your post, but I did'nt have any problems mastering the profession, I did it in under a week. Granted that was with all the stuff I listed above. I think the issue lies with how affective we are. I don't even venture out and use my pike unless i'm loaded up on crates upon crates of food (ryshcate and boh), and I hear ryshcate is gone after this patch. GREAT! I'd rather go out and take on nightsisters or the entire rancor cave with just 0404 in 2hand and a powerhammer than i would doing piket missions with an lva.


I certainly hope we get some small modifications such as accuracy mods on lva's or vl's before april. I don't mind the ham costs if i'm actually hitting something.





Vilam Dune
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