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Thread: 2 Exploit Questions for New Jedi...

homebreu
Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:11 pm
#1

1.) I read in a post that you think that it may be an exploit to do the 3 minute 10 second buff. Can you please find out if it is and let us all know?

This is how I doall of mine, and I am not an exploiter, so I do not want to be doing something that could inadvertantly get me into trouble with the devs.


2.) Is it wrong or an exploit to give people the "Stacked" buff?

In case you do not know what this is, it is when you give someone a buff, have them activate it as soon as you are done, then have them start listening again to give them another buff. Then when they get to where they are going, and after the first buff runs out, they just type /stoplisten again and the 2nd buff kicks in for them.


If you could find out wether or not these are considered exploitsfor us, it would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you for your time New Jedi.



Zy...
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LeBob
Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:29 pm
#2






homebreu wrote:

1.) I read in a post that you think that it may be an exploit to do the 3 minute 10 second buff. Can you please find out if it is and let us all know?

This is how I doall of mine, and I am not an exploiter, so I do not want to be doing something that could inadvertantly get me into trouble with the devs.


I would say that this is not yet an exploit though it may be deemed one in the future.
IMHO


2.) Is it wrong or an exploit to give people the "Stacked" buff?

In case you do not know what this is, it is when you give someone a buff, have them activate it as soon as you are done, then have them start listening again to give them another buff. Then when they get to where they are going, and after the first buff runs out, they just type /stoplisten again and the 2nd buff kicks in for them.


does this work?
I would think that when the person leaves you and goes out of range then the game automatically stops them from listening which attempts to confer the second buff but since there is already one (of equal or greater value)it just ignores it... am I missing something?
good question though


If you could find out wether or not these are considered exploitsfor us, it would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you for your time New Jedi.









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homebreu
Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:29 pm
#3

It works perfectly, i tried out on my alt the other day, and it worked perfectly.



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homebreu
Mon Mar 22, 2004 10:42 pm
#4

You can also get a buff and not type /stoplisten until you get to where you are going, then activate it. Of course if you do this, you can not get a "Stacked" buff, because you would have to activate the first one imediately after the buffer was finished.



Zy...
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MUSoprano
Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:00 am
#5

I don't know about the musicians, but I'm a dancer, and I know that in order for this to work, you have to not resume dancing until the person has activated their buff (typed /stopwatch). *shrug* It does work though, I've done it with my guildmates.

Sorry about the random lurker post, LOL.




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Utess
Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:11 am
#6

I'd rate the /stoplisten thing as a bug and thus using it an exploit. Basially the problem is if you move out of range of someone while they are still playing, the buff will activate once you go to far. If they stop playing, you can wait all day as long as they don't start again.


I understand why that's in there, it's so you can change songs/dances while you are buffing someone in range, or if you run out of action, you can continue where you left off. The problem is while in that "rest state" it doesn't do a range check since you aren't technically playing/dancing.



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homebreu
Tue Mar 23, 2004 2:57 am
#7

Hmmm. Makes sense I guess. I am now sure if all your facts are correct, but I do know that I always stop playing and do a dump before the person does the stoplisten command.


I am going to test the crud out of this today to find out the do's and don't's.





Zy...
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NewJedi
Tue Mar 23, 2004 6:40 pm
#8

Hi Homebreu,


As I posted in your other thread, I've asked the devs countless times about the speed-buffs. I asked most recently yesterday -- and another Correspondent followed up in the same thread. No reply yet. If it's an exploit, the devs certainly are being slow about fixing it.


I heard about the "stacked" buff for the first time just a couple of weeks ago, and I was unable to reproduce it myself; I probably did something wrong. But if you guys are certain it can be done, I will ask the devs whether this one is an exploit. My guess is that it is. I haven't asked the devs about this one before, so I don't know if they know about it. Off todescribe it to themnow.


homebreu
Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:35 pm
#9

It does work. As a mater of fact, I tried this the other day, having the customer go out of range of me before I stopped playing. Then I also did a few other buffs before the original customer would have activated the 2nd buff... And it still worked for him. You are right about the first one though. If they walk way from you first, the first will activate automatically as soon as they get out of range... Yet the second one does not... Wierd.


Personally, I will not use the 30 second buff. This thing makes my character "Freak Out" in order to do it. My character does not like this, and the only reason the customers do, is because it is so danged fast.


I am just sticking to my 4 minute buff until someone says it is illegal or something.



Zy...
"It's not how you pick your nose, It's where you put the booger"
nismo625
Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:31 pm
#10

I'd think the second one just about has to be an exploit. It just isn't something that was meant to be done. It is nice though as you can give buffs at an equal duration as docs.


As for buffing in 4 minutes, that could hardly be called an exploit. I doubteveryone wants to be forced to wait 8 minutes for an okay buff, then wait another 8 minutes for the next buff. I myself do not like to do the ultra-speed buff as it is not inline with either proffesions in terms of an actual performance. I will continue to buff in 4 minutes, possibly less with more testing.


Lawi



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NewJedi
Sat Mar 27, 2004 10:49 am
#11

I think I can live with the 3-4 minute buff; that seems within the realm of what was intended by the devs. It's the 30-second buff that seems to me clearly not intended. And I agree that the stacked buff seems not to be intended, either. But I've still had no definitive word on either from the devs.
Miyuki007
Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:15 am
#12

a 30sec buff seems inline with docs having a 15 sec interval between their buffs.....we buff 2 stats in 30 secs....docs can buff 2 stats in 30secs


dont see anything wrong with that.......


as for stacking, well we all know what that is





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NewJedi
Wed Mar 31, 2004 3:52 pm
#13

But Doctors aren't performers. They inject people with stims; we perform music and dance. Their stims cost money or resources; our songs are costless to us. The analogy to Doctors isn't a perfect one.


Don't get me wrong, I personally wouldn't mind having a 30-second buff. But I see a difference between injecting someone and playing a song for them. A top-forty song takes a couple of minutes to play on the radio. An injection takes seconds.


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