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Thread: DE's price gouging?

IronFreeze
Mon May 03, 2004 8:53 am
#1

Has anyone else run into these new droids being horribly expensive? I bought my first two for 8k a piece, and I supplied the synthesizers. Now I sell crates of synthesizers for 2500 a peice to various DE's, but the DE's now want 50k a shot for the new droids, which is outrageously overpriced. So to get my new droids, I've been having to haggle with the DE's, trying to get the price down. Anyone else run into these price gouging DE's?



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afewitryte
Mon May 03, 2004 1:14 pm
#2

I paid 30K for mine
Stutter
Mon May 03, 2004 4:08 pm
#3

I've paid 40k for one that was supposed to have all 6 effects, but only ended up having 3. I bought a second that does have all 6 effects for 30k. Like all things in this game, the price will drop dramatically once the demand for these items diminishes.



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Vermicious_Knid
Mon May 03, 2004 4:48 pm
#4

Somebody was charging $70k the other day in the Coronet Cantina.


Same advice as with any new thing: Wait two weeks and buy one. It'll cost the same as any other droid.


I always wind up buying something when it's brand new just to have something new to play with and then in a week they are a third the price.





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p4Samwise
Mon May 03, 2004 6:48 pm
#5

Astromechs have always been expensive, due to the considerable amount of effort that goes into making the chassis.


If you want a mouse droid with one or two of those modules, though, you can probably pick them up for a couple of thousand from a struggling novice.



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IronFreeze
Mon May 03, 2004 11:55 pm
#6

Well, the wierd thing is that the very first day these came out, I went running to the first MDE I could find. And he made me two advanced R3's, one stacked with 6 effects modules, one with 6 playback modules, each for 8k. He said he charged me that, because thats what he charged for all his R3's, and the considerable time needed to make one was negated by having hoards of the chassis pre-built due to high demand.


But seriously, 50k? 40k? 70k? Isn't that a bit much for a entertainer? Its not like most of us are rolling in dough. Plus you need batteries to keep the droid going, and the droid customization kit to keep your droid shiny and new (which is just stupid, but thats another matter for another day).


My response to this utter outrage, is to grind my little behind up to Master Droid engineer. I can just barely squeeze ME, MM, and MDE into my character. Then I can completely decimate the market with low priced entertainer droids, which coincidently, I would have no need to outsource for parts as I assume most MDE's currently need to do in constructing these droids.



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Stutter
Tue May 04, 2004 4:50 am
#7

after buying each, I was able to make up to cost for both with only a couple hours of buffing. I don't set prices for my buffs, and would be happy with 2-3k for each, but the majority of folks are willing to pay me 10k for each set of buffs anyway. I do not know why they pay this much, I do not know why they get mad when I try to pay some of it back. I guess doc buffs have em a bit wired in the head for buff pricing.


In any case, with good buffs, you can make up the prices for the new droids in no time. Another thing. I sold a droid with 3 effects to a nonmaster musician, and she was unable to use the effects, so I am unsure as to what skills are needed in order to use these.





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TaiDokken
Tue May 04, 2004 3:39 pm
#8

It's called supply and demand. They charge $70K for a droid, you charge $150K for the crate of 25 synthesizers to go into it. They'll hit their ceiling on their price and be forced to fix a price that's reasonable, you'll make your cut of the droid profits.


If you're selling off crates of a component required for a droid worth $70K, for just $2.5K, I'd ask you to please just stop. The 2.5K isn't worth your time and is destroying the economy/market for the commodity.
Gavvot
Wed May 05, 2004 7:56 am
#9

I'm master DE and novice musician, so I don't have issue making all the component myself.

Only droid that can hold 6 modules is adv R3.
To build an adv R3 you need 2 identical advanced droid brain,
so they must be made in the same factory run.

To build an Advanced droid brain you need 4 identical electronic memory modules and 4 identical Electronic GP module both are master artisan component.

So, to build the adv droid brain required for an adv R3, you need at least 3 factory run, 1 requiring DE skill (not sure it's master but sure it's not novice) and 2 run requiring Master artisan.

Advanced droid brain is only 1 component of an Adv R3 chassis, there are 4 or 5 component, not all requiring that much factory run to make but most requiring subcomponent and some factory made subcomponent.

And that's without any module.

I'm not even counting the ressources here, just trying to give you an idea of what it is to build a droid.

I personnaly charge 60K for adv R3 with 6 module in it (and I think it's cheap), and even if demand lower, I probably won't lower my prices.



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starcraftWS
Wed May 05, 2004 9:58 am
#10

Gavvot pretty much hit the nail on the head. It takes A LOT of subcomponents to make one finished droid. And the utter dependency on Master Artisan parts means that for a DE to be self-sufficient, they have to master that as well (taking up valuable skill points that could be spent elsewhere).


You also have to remember that droids are a one time purchase. They don't decay. Unless you voluntarily destroy your droid from your datapad, it'll always be there. Droid prices often reflect that lack of decay.


I charge less than most for my droids, but more than some. 60k for a 6-effects R3 is very reasonable. I've already paid that much on another server for one of these. Yes you'll probably see the people currently charging 150k drop their prices in the coming weeks (unless the demand is still there resulting in them flying off the vendors), but they will still be difficult and time/resource/factory intensive to make and that will be reflected in the vendor's price.





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Gavvot
Thu May 06, 2004 12:16 am
#11

To add up some informations :

Only novice musician or novice dancer is required to use the effect.

Didn't tested myself for dancer as I'm not one, but as a novice musician, I can use all the visual effects.
Didn't tried the playback module yet.

For those that want to grind to master DE to make their own droids, keep in mind those things :
1) even if only engineering 4 is required to be a DE, master artisan is required to make most of the droids, or you'll better have a good master artisan friend.

2) To master DE, you'll need alot of time (macro can help, but you cannot AFK-macroing) and alot of ressources (I'm talking in Millions here).

If you want to make money, and your entertainer skills aren't enough, remember you have 10 lots.
Ressource selling is the best money maker in the game.



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Aeron-Blackthorn
Thu May 27, 2004 6:51 am
#12

While 50k is enough let me put it in perspective for you (I also play a master musician on the server ) If you are looking for an R3 unit with six slots you are talking about the most expenive frame a DE can make. It take 2 identical adv droid brains which in themselves take four GP modules and 4 Electronic memory modules. Add in good chem for get a decent HAM for you and or armor and you run into some credits.


Ways to save credits:


Special order your droid from the DE, and leave off the armor if the DE is charging you for it. Why do you really need it? Combat droids or Sout droids need Armor you really don't.

Consider an R2 unit rather than the elusive R3, these are a bit cheaper to make. They are 5 slots, It can give you 5 tracks or what I do is put 3 of each effects and 2 tracks.

If you don't care about the HAM level tell the DE that so they won't waste good chem on the droid and ask for a cut for that.

Storage is important but in order to have one slot storage on these droids it takes a pretty rare resrouce (at least on starsider). If you don't need storage tell them that. My stock ent droids come without storage for that very reason.


Honestly my prices for Entertainment droids are as follows:


R3 Ent droid: 23k

R2 Ent droid: 18,900k

DZ Ent droid: 6,300k


These are based less on the "new factor" and more total cost and type of components and resoruces.


I hope this helps some.




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Tiaga
Thu May 27, 2004 7:29 pm
#13

That's about inline with what I paid for my droids. I think the R3s were all 23k.

On the HAM, be careful there. With the effects droid HAM doesn't matter, but when using a playback module a droid uses action to flourish. Only a fraction of musicians, but it is used. So if you get a MSE playback droid, you can get around 8-10 flourishes out of it, depending on resources.



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