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Thread: Healing BF in Hi-Tech Field Bases
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BlakkStar
Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:52 am
#1
Greetings
I'm a Ranger and I was wondering if you guys object to Entertainers being able heal BF in Hi-tech Field Bases (uber ranger camps)? I am not implying or supporting the idea that the camps themselves heal BF, only that Entertainers can do so as that is not a possibility currently.
Also on another note, would you object to the idea of consumable "playback tapes" being used to heal BF (but not buff) in Hi-Tech Field Bases? These tapes could be used and last for only a set amount of time, maybe 15 or 20 minutes and heal BF at a slower rate than an actual entertainer in camp. However they would provide BF healing away from cities when if an entertainer is not around and provide a material commodity for entertainers to sell. BTW, Musicians could make playback tapes like the samples made in playback droidsand Dancers could make a holographic video that is also made with a droid (with a new DE module).
Anyways, I would just like to see how you guys feel about this as we Rangers would like to improve the worth of our eye-candy, noob-amazer camp and I personally do not want our wishes to come at the cost of stepping on your toes.
Your responses will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks 
Warryyr
Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:03 am
#2
Well, my opinions on the subject:
Yeah, high level Ranger camps should let Entertainers heal BF. It would encourage us to get out of the cantina, and we'd be a more valuable part of a hunting group.
As far as "playback tapes" or "holovids" go, I'm for the idea if (big IF) the idea is carefully implemented. They shouldn't be crafted, they should be given like holoemotes by ID's. A lot of Entertainers aren't fond of crafting. Contrary to your ideas, mine are a bit reversed. I think that healing BF should stay in the cantina for the most part (aside from Ents in ranger camps). Then, the playback tapes or holovids would be used in a droid with the proper module, and you could then get buffed by that droid anywhere you are - in a nearby cantina(75% buff or less compared to a live Master Dancer/Musician). The only way to "load" the droid with the tape of vid would be from a live Entertainer who has to do some kind of mini-game to get the droid loaded with the buff program.
This would prevent AFK'ers from macroing some kind of droid load. Loading droids for remote buffing should only be in the realm of live Entertainers.
Oh, and I'd almost forego the whole droid thing if they'd just fix registration. It works everywhere but on the planetary map, where it needs to work most. It registers me, unregisters when i run out of the cantina, but every cantina on the planetary map shows that it has registered Entertainers there. Fixing that would let people find out where we really are, and they could get healing/buffing much easier.
EotchajCrestingcloud
Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:10 am
#3
Personally, I think we should be able to heal BF in any camp. The better the camp, the faster the heal.
Cudayn
Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:22 am
#4
I think it would be beneficial to Entertainers as well as Rangers, obviously. It would make Rangers with certain skills very desirable in groups as well as entertainers. More so if they also have combat skills, but I suppose any entertainer with either Master Musician or Dancer would be more thanwelcome. If an entertainer doesn't have combat skills, I am betting that having both Master Musician and Master Dancer would be a shoe in to fill out a group
About the BF tapes, I am not so sure about though. Some of the folks here do endorse something similar to that, but then some don't. I am still on the fence about any type of recording as I have not fully envisioned what possible ramifications it would have on our class.
One the one hand it might be something that really revitalizes our profession, but on the other hand, it could turn out to be very, very bad. I just need to think hard on the subject before I can really offer any feedback on the BF tape idea.
Durney
Master Entertainer / Master Musician / Master Image Designer
P.S. I can only condon healing BF in the Hi tech Field base because otherwise, if we could heal BF in any camp, what use is it to even go to town to get healed. Camps heal all wounds over time as is, to add BF healing to all of them would render entertainers useless. Also to allow BF healing in all camps would not be a Ranger Perk, as this thread is about Rangers wanting to add more functionality. If I can take novice scout for 15 points, which a lot of my characters have scout skills anyhow, I could simply park in my own camp, set up a macro so that I would not go AFK and let the camp heal all of my wounds. It would not cost me anything but a little time.
Message Edited by Cudayn on 10-07-2004 09:27 AM
Esharra
Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:29 am
#5
BlakkStar wrote:
Greetings
I'm a Ranger and I was wondering if you guys object to Entertainers being able heal BF in Hi-tech Field Bases (uber ranger camps)?No objection to this at all..it would be great to have something that might motivate players to hire entertainers for field work (something I have been doing on a contract basis for quite a while).
Also on another note, would you object to the idea of consumable "playback tapes" being used to heal BF (but not buff) in Hi-Tech Field Bases? Yes. Hire us..don't replace us.
Thanks for asking
Bronski113
Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:45 am
#6
I'd be for healing BF in camps if two things were done: Only could be done in high end Ranger camps and it would only occur when a entertainer was present and performing.
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cantina_wench
Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:53 am
#7
Thanks for being thoughtful enough to ask usfor feedback on your ideas.
I have no objection to entertainers being able to heal battle fatigue in the Hi-Tech Field Bases. This seems like a good idea that would benefit both rangers and entertainers. Perhaps set a limit on who could heal battle fatigue in the camps (such as novice musician, novice dancer, or master entertainer and up) and I think this would be a fantastic idea. Without such a limit I'm worried that we'd havepeople picking up novice entertainer to heal their groups in the camps making entertainers less valuable (not that we have much value to lose).
The tapes of performances I can't agree with because I'm worried about how it will affect entertainer healing exp for entertainers. As a master musician I no longer need this exp but those people starting out do. Currently anyone who is grouped with me will get healing exp if someone watches me, with the tapes this wouldn't happen. The battle fatigue would be healed and no one would gain any necessary experience from my taped performance.
AtheneNoctua
Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:11 pm
#8
cantina_wench wrote:Thanks for being thoughtful enough to ask us for feedback on your ideas.I have no objection to entertainers being able to heal battle fatigue in the Hi-Tech Field Bases. This seems like a good idea that would benefit both rangers and entertainers. Perhaps set a limit on who could heal battle fatigue in the camps (such as novice musician, novice dancer, or master entertainer and up) and I think this would be a fantastic idea. Without such a limit I'm worried that we'd have people picking up novice entertainer to heal their groups in the camps making entertainers less valuable (not that we have much value to lose).The tapes of performances I can't agree with because I'm worried about how it will affect entertainer healing exp for entertainers. As a master musician I no longer need this exp but those people starting out do. Currently anyone who is grouped with me will get healing exp if someone watches me, with the tapes this wouldn't happen. The battle fatigue would be healed and no one would gain any necessary experience from my taped performance.
Personally, I don't see this as a big problem, during beta and short after launch when not everybody had allocated each and every skill point, there were many players who had at least novice entertainer skill - which made parties much more fun IMHO. Maybe they even value us a bit more when they see how fast masters of the profession heal, compared to a novice entertainer.
Additionally, I don't think that too many people would add Entertainer to their template because of the rather high cost of 15 skill points.
Just my 2cr
BlakkStar
Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:05 pm
#9
So yes to BF healing but no to tapes.
BTW the reason why I suggested field bases only for BF healing is due to the seemingly dev insistence that BF healing be limited to the cantinas.They've told us scout/rangers before that BF healing will definitely not happen in camps. Therefore awhile ago our correspondent suggested we be able to make a stage or something that allows entertainers to heal BF in our uber field bases. While I didn't mention the stage idea, I just wanted to know if you would be for BF healing in HTFBs in general.
The tape idea was just something someone mentioned in a thread awhile ago. I'd be lying if I didn't admit that some rangers just want our HTFBs to heal BF period (no entertainer input included.) I part time as a musician on server other than my main so I don't agree with that.
Anyways thanks!
NewJedi
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:13 am
#11
I also ran a poll on this issue a couple months ago, and I recall the results being somewhat mixed. Some Musicians were worried about diluting the importance of cantinas, but I think more liked the idea in principle. The poll kinda withered after a short bit, though. (Will lurk in here to hear with Musicians are thinking now.)
cantina_wench
Fri Oct 08, 2004 8:37 am
#12
Personally, I don't see this as a big problem, during beta and short after launch when not everybody had allocated each and every skill point, there were many players who had at least novice entertainer skill - which made parties much more fun IMHO. Maybe they even value us a bit more when they see how fast masters of the profession heal, compared to a novice entertainer.
Additionally, I don't think that too many people would add Entertainer to their template because of the rather high cost of 15 skill points.
Just my 2cr
Additionally, I don't think that too many people would add Entertainer to their template because of the rather high cost of 15 skill points.
Just my 2cr
Correct me if I'm wrong but there weren't afk macrotainers, buffbots, or people with alternate accounts to buff themselvesduring beta or at launcheither. Also, I don't recall entertainers having togetfriends todisease themselves so they could get healing experience at launch. I could get entertainer healing exp faster than dancing or music exp when I first started. Things have changed a lot since launch.
Echinacea
Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:36 am
#13
I would welcome being able to heal Battle Fatigue in both base camp kits available to Rangers with Frontiering II skilland higher. I'd also love to be able to make 'holodiscs' that could be used in any setting where an Entertainer could otherwise perform healing, but I'm not normal for a Musician; I think my ablities and services should be just as valuable and relevant as a Doctor's. Silly me.
The craftable, consumable performance item to heal when live performers aren't available has been done to death, and I don't really think there's ever been a consensus. It seemed to me that it was pretty evenly split amongst those performers who are violently opposed to ever crafting, or even having it as a professional option, and those who would like to broaden their ability to reach patrons.
I'd just like to point out that the healing of Mind Wounds in Med Centers and scout camps was something that was briefly fixed in beta, and then broken again and never addressed. I think that's when things started going downhill for Entertainers. I was under the impression that the intention was that only an Entertainer, viaperforming,or Cantina, via slow heal-over-time like the scout camp and Med Center for Action/Health related wounds,was intended to heal Mind Wounds or Shock/Battle Fatigue. That the scout camp and Med Center heal Mind Wounds I consider to be the first slap-on-the-fanny-git-in-the-kitchen-and-make-me-a-sandwich slight delivered by the developers to performers.
If you need a performer to come out in the field with you on Starsider, Blakk Star, shoot me a tell. I can swing a hammer on the critters, then fix that fatigue with a tune. 
You didn't think I'd actually pass this thread by, did you, NewJedi? 
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