Musician Archive
Thread: How you doing...after the CU?
Message Edited by Vortex500 on 05-08-2005 05:46 PM
Mariki wrote:
The CU and the expansion drove home the fact that entertainers have no place in SWG any longer. Heck, the one place that indicates entertainers even exist in the new expansion, (the treehouse cantina),wasn't even activated so entertainers couldperform there. Entertainers hung in here while the hardcore combat people "went on leave" and our reward for that is to be totally disregarded and tossed aside. The days of the big bands and guest performers are gone. I am curious who will hang in there next time. It was fun while it lasted. This CU-SWG is a new game that is not the old SWG. Its a pure combat game and an entertainer now has to bend to give the illusion of fitting in instead of actually feeling like they belong. I personally find it unenjoyable and find myself not logging on much anymore. Our award winning PA hall will become a temple of what once was a great entertainer friendly environment.
Sad to hear that my friend... 
I still cant get it... why scrap one of the mostground breaking professions in a MMORPG ever? I mean sure it was Bards in other mmorpgs, but they was not even close to what Entertainer profession was in SWG. The first really "all social profession " ever. I think the idea was great.
Sure the buffbots had its share to drive out the Entertainers out off the game too... but the Devs allowed this to happen so I really blaim them more than those having bots. Why did the Devs allow this to go this far? And not even once have they given you the Love(except some new songs/dances, but that really doesnt help if the rest of the game play for the Ents are borked.).
Last night I performed at what was usually one of the largest and busiest entertainer events, for most of the night I was the only entertainer on stage. Only a handful of people came and it really didn't make any difference if any entertainers were there since no one could listen to us because of the /watch/listen bug.
As a triple entertainer master I have virtually no combat skills, level 10 only. I was incapped twice just trying to go to my house for a change of clothes. The new expansion is so totally combat oriented so that there is absolutely nothing in it for me. I have a huge number of skill points tied up in abilities that don't even exist in the game anymore. The reduced group size makes it almost impossible to put on any of the performaces we used to do regularly. And this doesn't even include the large list of issues that have plagued entertainers since the game went live.
And apart from the many many issues that plague entertainers, the reason for all of this - the blasted combat upgrade - is crap as well. This is of course purely subjective, but I hate it. Solo play is dead, and as a lvl 54 pikeman you're the first to getkilled in a group. And I absolutely refuse to take up a ranged profession just because it's FOTM currently.
So the combat part of my game was pretty much killed by the so-called combat upgrade, the entertainer community is drawing it's last shuddering breath, and apart from that, there's nothing to do for me anymore.
Ravanne_Esi wrote:
Last night I performed at what was usually one of the largest and busiest entertainer events, for most of the night I was the only entertainer on stage. Only a handful of people came and it really didn't make any difference if any entertainers were there since no one could listen to us because of the /watch/listen bug.
As a triple entertainer master I have virtually no combat skills, level 10 only. I was incapped twice just trying to go to my house for a change of clothes. The new expansion is so totally combat oriented so that there is absolutely nothing in it for me. I have a huge number of skill points tied up in abilities that don't even exist in the game anymore. The reduced group size makes it almost impossible to put on any of the performaces we used to do regularly. And this doesn't even include the large list of issues that have plagued entertainers since the game went live.
Thats really ****** up. How can they implent a whole new system to Live and not even think about theconsequence for all the Non-Combat players. Thats just weird. Ok if the Upgrade includedallprofessions. But why should some players get screwed just so other players can have all the fun(and not even those players have fun)?
Message Edited by Vortex500 on 05-08-2005 08:05 PM
Landlubber wrote:
I've also hardly played lately. It's just no fun anymore, and it actually makes me depressed to log in and see what has become of the game I have spent mosttwo year's worth of free time on. Most members of my band Nebula have left, so it's hardly possible to set up a gig with more than 3 or 4 people anymore. We used to have a dozen entertainers at shows a year ago. Not that this would even be technically possible anymore, heh.
And apart from the many many issues that plague entertainers, the reason for all of this - the blasted combat upgrade - is crap as well. This is of course purely subjective, but I hate it. Solo play is dead, and as a lvl 54 pikeman you're the first to getkilled in a group. And I absolutely refuse to take up a ranged profession just because it's FOTM currently.
So the combat part of my game was pretty much killed by the so-called combat upgrade, the entertainer community is drawing it's last shuddering breath, and apart from that, there's nothing to do for me anymore.
I feel with you all. Spend so much time in a game and never get anything back. Just get "Wait...soon" from the devs. I guess SOE have showed with this CU, where the game is heading. Sad ... really really sad...
I have cancelled my accounts... but I still love thebasic idea of Star Wars as a mmorpg and if SWG ever change tobe the ultimate STAR WARSmmorpg experience again I will jump on thetrain again.
The entertainer system and the crafter system (pre CU) was really ground breaking and should never been "dumbed" down as it is now(post CU). The space part of the game should have been there at the release. The CU should not been hazed out like it was now. We didnt ask for a completly new game with parts of the community professions total useless(and thats even more than pre CU).
How can such a great idea become such amess?
And they got tons of info on Star Wars from the movies and books and other games...why throw the cannon out the window?Is it so hard to follow?
Well If thereever will be another Star Wars MMORPG I will be there... See you there....(Hope they take it moreserious than these " We bend for the powerplayers" Devs.)
Sorry ... but to see that they are failing to makeSWG fun and true to the SW movies and on top of that screwing the social player group in this RPG makes me mad.... mad and sad....
EDIT:
The reason why I pre ordered SWG back in 2003 was to play in the Star Wars universe with other players and RP that we were there and living the **** thing.
And I was on the pre release boards(starting reading them 2002)and posting... heard so many cool ideas. A couple of these ideas was to have non combatants as a playble thing. I thought "wow this a real mmoRPG, if someone dont wish to fight they shouldnt and they can still play this game". Well I guess I was wrong. SOE should take out the RPG out off MMORPG and add ppcg... mmoppcg...massive multi player power player combat game...
I remember back when I was playing Star Wars MUD:s... the immersion was 110% bigger with only text to play with. Do the right thing SOE bring back the STAR WARSin SWG and the RPG in MMORPG!
Message Edited by Vortex500 on 05-08-2005 10:02 PM
Vortex500 wrote:
So how are you entertainer guys and girls after the CU? I'm okay.
How does this new Inspiration buff working out for you? It is not working out very well for me. Not due so much to the fact that double xp is in effect right now as that players are not clamoring for experience. SWG was never a game about getting to the highest level you could, it was the adventures you had afterwards. The faction buff is nice for Armorsmiths and Smugglers, but no one else outside Jedi grinders has really been too enamored.
How are customer treating you? They try to invite me to their groups still, and they yell at me when they get the "you stop listening to Leilani because you are too far away," bug. It's not my fault!Is the buffbots gone? There are less, certainly, but in fact I have seen a greater decrease in ATK Entertainers than AFK ones since our abilities have been stripped.How are the cantinas? Less busy. Battle Fatigue is relatively meaningless at the moment, and many of my friends walk around with 1000 BF just for not wanting to "waste" the time in a Cantina. I can unfortunately sympathize.Any more you want to tell me? Thank you for coming by with friendly words.We all appreciate them greatly!
Keep up the good work all ATK Entertainers! Always.
Message Edited by Bionic on 05-08-2005 03:17 PM
Bionic wrote:
Vortex500 wrote:
So how are you entertainer guys and girls after the CU? I'm okay.
How does this new Inspiration buff working out for you? It is not working out very well for me. Not due so much to the fact that double xp is in effect right now as that players are not clamoring for experience. SWG was never a game about getting to the highest level you could, it was the adventures you had afterwards. The faction buff is nice for Armorsmiths and Smugglers, but no one else outside Jedi grinders has really been too enamored.
How are customer treating you? They try to invite me to their groups still, and they yell at me when they get the "you stop listening to Leilani because you are too far away," bug. It's not my fault!
Is the buffbots gone? There are less, certainly, but in fact I have seen a greater decrease in ATK Entertainers than AFK ones since our abilities have been stripped.
How are the cantinas? Less busy. Battle Fatigue is relatively meaningless at the moment, and many of my friends walk around with 1000 BF just for not wanting to "waste" the time in a Cantina. I can unfortunately sympathize.
Any more you want to tell me? Thank you for coming by with friendly words.
Keep up the good work all ATK Entertainers! Always.
Message Edited by Bionic on 05-08-2005 03:17 PM
Thank you for the feedback.
I really hope that SOEwill use somecommon star wars senseand get the game back on track.
Take care "in there" Leilani.
(Eclipse was my first server and I still feel bounds to it)
Message Edited by Vortex500 on 05-08-2005 09:45 PM
Mariki wrote:
The CU was way overboard. All anyone ever asked for is balance, not a redesign of the whole game into something that is unrecognizable. Then you don't do something to try to bring the combat people back that riuns what is left of your client base.
Agrees 100%