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Thread: Question for cantina owners.

MMKia
Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:37 am
#1

I have just built one of the most beautiful cantinas on the Shadowfire server, and I really want to have a good time with it. Its about 700m from Ft. Tusken and the potential is huge for wound healing XP since there are so many deaths. My problem is that I want to have live ppl performing in my cantina. My policy is going to be if you are an AFKer that you will be banned from playing in my cantina. Do you think this is a fair rule?




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Echinacea
Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:15 am
#2

I personally only think it's a good idea if you know you'll have the staff to keep someone in there at all times. If you don't, people will go elsewhere for their entertainment.


I think it would help immensely if we could educate the combat classes on the ease of using the Planetary Map to see if a Cantina has at least a Novice Musician or Dancer in-house.




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Tralmek
Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:10 am
#3

Absolutely this is a great regulation to have, but I would give every entertainer who came in the warning that if they are AFK for more than x number of minutes, they will be evicted. This would only be fair. And, as was said, make sure you have someone in the cantina at all times so people will learn that it can be counted on for heals anytime.


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LeBob
Mon Dec 15, 2003 10:39 am
#4

I think it's ok to ban them... but you should realize that if you don't have very many ents......... this will not be in your best interest......... might want to wait until you have more ents to work with........ if you do ban them it should only be for like a week or two then let them try again........ and tell them if they have a good reason for going afk or for just a minute then to /afk and say why and how long.........


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Hairycarpet
Mon Dec 15, 2003 12:14 pm
#5

I think its a fine rule, but AFK and macro allows you to have the place 'staffed' 24*7 where live play may not - so I would maybe set ground rules on times when AFK is permitted - but make it clear you Cantina is not a grinding shop



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MMKia
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:19 pm
#6

Thank you for all your insightful imput. I will take your thoughts on this into consideration. Since im not on at all times, i may set up a AFK time when the server comes up in the mornings, so there is someone there. My guild has been very supportive of my decision, and some of them have taken up novice ent. to perform when im not there. If you have any more imput, please dont hesitate to put it down. I hope that more of you take up a similar policy.




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MMKia
Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:45 am
#7

/bump




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alligatorboogaloo
Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:44 pm
#8

I have a no AFKers policy in The Vynock Cafe on Naritus. If I catch them AFKing and they don't respond to a tell I briefly ban them so they can stand on the doorstep and look foolish. I didn't ever go AFK in a public space, they don't get to either. Sadly, I'll admit I did AFK for a few hours now and then when i first started but I went to the hotel and used one ofthe rooms,other than gambling does anyone ever go there??


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JohnnyCashTheManInBlack
Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:10 am
#9

Let me ask you this from other perspectives.


Would you rather have no entertainers or 2 AFK ones in your cantina?


If you were a player in need of healing would you care if the person healing your mind wounds was really there or not?


If you were a novice musician learning the craft would you ever want to hang around a place that kicked you out because you had to go to the bathroom once?


I play most of the evening most every day and go AFK regularly to take phone calls and wash dishes, switch laundry loads, put my daughter in the tub, fix dinner, put her to bed etc. Judging by the tips I often find upon returning the patrons didn't mind my absense too much as long as I wiped out their BF and wounds.


Ideally yes you want players there to make it more fun but I'd let a musician go AFK back in the corner of the stage, particularly if they were the only one in the house




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JohnnyCashTheManInBlack
Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:16 am
#10

My point is that being AFK in a cantina can be good for it, I'm a master Ent and Musician, I don't need the XP but I've had plenty of people thank me for leaving myself AFK w a looped macro overnight to act as a mind healing station for the times when players are scarce.



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Xyzandra
Wed Dec 17, 2003 11:29 am
#11

My AFK rule for the Nightlighter is that you may AFK-Macro if you wish (as it means there's someone around at all times for people) but you may not take up space in the prime spots on the stage. Stand in a corner near the wall and play/dance there. If someone is desperate for entertainment they Will find you.

But the Prime entertainment spots on the stage belong to live performers. It's unfair to take the audience's attention away from someone who is actually working.


If you're AFKing, You get a little leeway on the off chance you've gone to feed the cat or are visiting the little entertainers room but if it's excessive you will be evicted.

Makes it amusing when you have a row of dancers performing outside the cantina.



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Tiaga
Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:38 pm
#12

I have a rule that AFK is not allowed in my cantina. I'd even go so far as using militia powers to enforce this rule. (Back when the miltiia had power at least.)


I'd logged in my cantina on Wed and when I logged in yesterday, I found the place quite lively with entertainers and people watching. I joined in the band and we had a full band going (Meaning one of each instrument sound, not 20 people in group.) This isn't that out of the ordinary for my place. It's all how you present it. I've been a bit lucky that I'm in a city that's been established since just a few weeks after the server was brought up.


As to allowing AFK at off hours.. People are complaining about healing xp for entertainers. Well part of the problem is you have just single or small groups of entertainers spread out across the entire galaxy. Maybe half the PAs have a heal bot in their PA hall. A few people have cantinas they staff AFK so the city can get their healing. Each one of these places takes a little away from the healing xp of the group of entertainers elsewhere. Sure, it may only be a few hundred points, but if the person would just go to coronet where there is a full group, that would be a few hundred points to 20 people, making it more like a few thousand points gained by entertainers, instead of a few hundred gained by a heal bot who may already be a master anyway.


It won't kill people to go find somewhere else to go heal. Nor will it kill your cantina. Mine isn't staffed 24/7 but it's only been getting more and more use. People don't need their healing spoon fed to them when it isn't hard to find entertainers in the first place. I don't think I've ever seen a timewhen there were no entertainers on at least thebig 3 planets. Besides, if you really do have such a good spot for xp, you won't have a problem getting people there.




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