Musician Archive
Thread: An Idea About Buff Exploits
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fett3041
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:55 am
#1
For those who don't know, it's possible to stack Music/Dance buffs so that when the first set wears off, or if you die, you just have to type /stopwatch or /stoplisten again and you're instantly rebuffed. Ingame CSRs have confirmed this practice is an exploit. Take that with a grain of salt; we all know how efficient and knowing CSRs are.
Buffbots who give bothMusic and Dance buffs are enabling people to use this exploit. These bots, by their desire to not play the game, and not control who recieves buffs, are guilty of promoting this exploit.
So, when we notice bot patrons sticking around for a double set of buffs, we would then be under obligation to report a possible exploiter. Ingame CSR would have to come and investigate and give thebot fair warning to stop allowing people to use the exploit. If they ignore the warning, either by being AFK or by simply not caring, they should be eligible for a) server disconnects, b) account warnings, and c) account suspensions and/or bannings.
This is my opinion, and not necessarily that of buffbots, their patrons, nor even SOE. Afterall, I still think that the use of ANY macro or program that allows unattended gameplay is against the EULA.
Constructive feedback is encouraged. Let me know what you think.
Aleyo
Mon Nov 22, 2004 11:57 am
#2
Also, especially if we're gonna report bots for doing this, if you didn't know this is an exploit, stop doing it now 
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Fragpuppie
Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:04 pm
#3
This practice is known as buff "banking", and I used to get a large number of requests for it. However due to the changes in not being able to receive music and dance at the same time, you can now only bank music OR dance, not both.
This bug has been in game for a year now and has been discussed here often. As yet, I have not heard a DEV call it an exploit. I have never spoken to a CSR, and from what I have heard of them, their assesment of a situation is often incorrect or skewed.
However, I don't get calls for this anymore because, well I don't get calls for buffs, so its kinda a moot point. Reporting a bot for this will not work as the performer has no control over the banking procedure, its all driven by the client. Also, since we can never know if a music buff actually worked other than by asking the client.......did the buff fail, or is the client lying to get a banked buff?
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Bronski113
Wed Nov 24, 2004 8:21 am
#4
Well, I think we should keep our eyes open and if a live entertainer gets banned for doing this we should report buffbots. Its really not a matter if the buffbot is knowingly providing their patrons these "banked" buffs. I know they aren't meaning to do it. However, someone owns that account and in order to log in that character they must agree to the EULA everytime they do. They are agreeing to abide by the rules and policies set forth by SOE. Even if it is an AFK buffbot they are still (or at least should be) held to the same rules and policies as everyone else. It'll be interesting if a live entertainer is banned for this but no buffbots are.
Maisland
Wed Nov 24, 2004 11:39 pm
#5
I have done this myself and I will believe that it is an exploit when I see a post on the boards from a DEV saying that it is. Until then, I will give a stored buff to anyone who asks me for one (not everyone even knows that this is possible).
The way I see it is... Dancer/Musician buffs last 2 hours at best... Doctor buffs last 3+ hours... it is only fair that we should be able to store an extra buff on our clients.
Then too, you can't just get a stored buff by watching/listening an extra bit after getting the first buff. To get a stored buff requires certain actions on the part of BOTH the performer and the client... the performer has to stop performing when the buff is complete or the client automatically stops watching/listening when they move too far away, and then the client has to /stopwatching or /stoplistening when they are ready to activate the stored buff.
Not to mention that a client can only hold one stored (Danceror Musician)buff at a time.
fett3041
Thu Nov 25, 2004 12:52 am
#6
You'll never get a Dev to post on the boards confirming anything is an exploit, unless it's a credit dupe. And even then, they won't say how it's done. They'll just mention that there is one, and people are getting banned for it.
You don't need a Dev to tell you that doing something you normally shouldn't be able to is an exploit. Use common sense.
But I agree that there will never be a point to it. SOE seems to like their AFK macroers. Even detailing how to do it in the Friday Feature. SOE had a great opportunity with SWG. They blew it.
Fragpuppie
Thu Nov 25, 2004 10:33 pm
#7
fett3041 wrote:
You don't need a Dev to tell you that doing something you normally shouldn't be able to is an exploit. Use common sense.
Well....
I do kinda subscribe by the dev telling us or not.
Devs have not said that botting was an exploit so then it has been deemed legal.
Devs never stated that 30 sec buffs were an exploit...they just removed em.
If devs have issues, they should either say so, or change/fix it. That way there is no confusion. I really don't want to have to try to read their minds....they're pretty good at blocking /mindread anyway.
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NewJedi
Fri Nov 26, 2004 4:29 pm
#8
I don't recall hearing the devs call this an exploit either. But I'm puzzled: I thought this was no longer working at all. I gather it still is?
Fragpuppie
Fri Nov 26, 2004 6:22 pm
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NewJedi wrote:
I don't recall hearing the devs call this an exploit either. But I'm puzzled: I thought this was no longer working at all. I gather it still is?
Yes it does work....but ony music OR dance. The "not at the same time" bug has made it so you can only bank one or the other.
Also new is the need for the performer to stop animating whichever is banked before the person leaves range. Even if its just prior to leaving range. The buffee needs to "stop clapping" like they stop listening even tho they did not prior to leaving range.
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Ikewe
Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:04 pm
#10
You don't need a Dev to tell you that doing something you normally shouldn't be able to is an exploit. Use common sense.
That would assume you agree that you shouldn't be able to stack a mind buff. There's a lot of activity going on that I consider to be an exploit (like entertaining non stop for 23 hours or achieving an Elite profession in a matter of hours while you are actually away from the keyboard) but which, according to SOE, is not. So without more definitive guideance on what is or is not an exploit I'm not so sure I can feel comfortable telling any entertainer to "use common sense."
If you can successfully get anyone banned for "buff stacking" I'd be amazed. It would be an incredibly powerful tool in our fight to take back our professions and somehow I just don't see them giving us that power.
Actions always speak louder than words and thus far their actions are that buff bots are a protected element of the game. Until their actions show otherwise I have absolutely zero hope that any *obvious* exploit will get them banned.
Ikewe, Master Dancer Shadowfire
Tammylynn
Thu Dec 02, 2004 5:14 am
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fett3041 wrote:
For those who don't know, it's possible to stack Music/Dance buffs so that when the first set wears off, or if you die, you just have to type /stopwatch or /stoplisten again and you're instantly rebuffed. Ingame CSRs have confirmed this practice is an exploit. Take that with a grain of salt; we all know how efficient and knowing CSRs are.
Constructive feedback is encouraged. Let me know what you think.
I was told by a CSR that it is something they are looking into, not something that will get me or others baned. I was also asked to show exact steps to do it by the CSR.
Myself I was not asked to do this for a long time until a few asked the other day.
They said they read about it here. haha
And I have noticed many more telling me that they did not recieve the music buff. I will take their word for it. Until there is a way to know if they recieved the buff or not I do not see how a person could hold the musician accountable for stacking a buff.
And to be honest, I do not see what is so wrong with it. I beleive if there was a way to make it so onlya live entertainer could do it then there would be more need for live entertainers.
Tiaga
Fri Dec 03, 2004 1:11 am
#12
Maisland wrote:I have done this myself and I will believe that it is an exploit when I see a post on the boards from a DEV saying that it is.
That isn't a very good attitude to take. The fact is that they will NEVER come out and state something is an exploit. Doing so would bring more attention to it than not saying anything, and more people would do it. If they listed out every exploit it would be a list of things to figure out for people who would use them.
So drop the "If they didn't say it's an exploit, it isn't" BS and use common sense. This IS an exploit.
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