Musician Archive
Thread: An interesting discussion regarding skillpoints and our place in the game
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Aleyo
Mon Feb 07, 2005 2:57 pm
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There's some interesting thoughts being thrown around on the Dancer forum. I'd be interested to hear what everyone thinks about the issues in that thread, as it seems to make people think about what we really should be as a profession. If you haven't seen it yet, go check it out 
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Warryyr
Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:39 am
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Totally against SP removal, or even considering it, until we get our revamp and have more skills/abilities/ways to entertain.
If they remove SP from Entertainer, then they need to scrape it clean of any benefit whatsoever to the community. That in and of itself will kill a lot of interest in our professions. I know that many, many new Entertainers ask the same question - "how can i make money just dancing or playing music?" The answer is tips for healing or buffing. No SP means no healing or buffing, and then we truly become the beggars of the galaxies. Tips for performances happen, but providing a benefit gives you a much greater chance for a tip. Or, we can just take a couple 10 minute missions for 1000 credits each. Not the most fun way to spend your time in-game. :\
No fighter deserves to get free Mind wound healing or BF healing. Therefore all Entertainer healing/buffing abilities need to be removed. Otherwise, I want all combat professions to be SP-free, so that I can have Entertainer abilities and wield a T-21 with strafeshot2 without having to dedicate skillpoints. It's only fair.
Devil_Tiger
Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:36 am
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Removing SP requirements from entertainer would dehumanize the professions even more than they have already become. I have noticed that most master dancers, musicians, and entertainers rarely wear their master tags nowadays. It's almost become an embarassment to display those tags. I, for one, haven't displayed my master entertainer tag in over three weeks due to the lack of respect and courtsey shown towards me. By removing SP costs, entertainers would most likely become an AFKonly profession and ATK entertainers would simply disappear.
I've already decided that I will never master music or dance, even if the recursive macro fix comes out. I'll be going up the music and dance knowledge trees to get better songs and dances, but I will never be more than just that as an entertainer. If the SP requirement for entertainer goes away, I will simply drop all my entertainer skills and join the masses as a composite armor clad combat stacker. I may simply delete that toon and start over again doing something else on another server. Or as my final option, cancel my account outright.
As an alternative to elminating SP costs, how about reducing XP requirements? Although, under the current state of the game, this would increase the AFK macrotainer population it may draw more people to try entertainer. As it is, gaining any entertainer (non ID)xp is a slow process unless you are always grouped with 19 other entertainers. Since everyone rushes to the buffbots for one stop heals and buffing, it's hard for an aspiring entertainer to make the xp requirements for better songs and dances.
The future of all real entertainers is in serious jeopardy, regardless of SP removal or not. Many have grown disgusted with what our professions have degenerated in to and are considering dropping them for other skills. This game is supposed to cater to the masses, not to the wants of powergamers or combat only players.
OrionsByte
Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:21 pm
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No no no... a thousand times no...
The reasons they removed the skill point requirement for politician have nothing to do with musicians, dancers, or entertainers. They removed skill points from politician because of the very isolated type of profession it is. Cities require a politician, but players do not.
That is simply not so for the entertainer professions. Players require us for healing and buffs. If you remove those two things, then what purpose do we serve any more? Sure, lots of us just like to roleplay, or just enjoy making music for no reason at all. But without those skills, and without a skill point cost, we become a novelty profession, and nothing else.
Politician is a special case in SWG because even if everyone suddenly decided to train novice politician, only a small percentage of the population would actually be able to get XP and progress. If everyone were suddenly allowed to be a musician or dancer, there would be no reason not to be a musician or dancer. Our cantinas would once again be filled with AFK-tainers grinding through the professions simply because they can.
It seems like one of the arguments in favor of this is that it would allow for some "rockin' parties" because everyone could play along or dance along. If this started moving forward (though I doubt the devs have even considered it), my suggestion for a compromise would be to allow the NOVICE boxes to be trained at no SP cost, thus granting everyone the ability to play a few tunes and dance a few steps. If they want to do more than that, they'd have to invest some skill points.
Venoch
Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:02 pm
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Removing skill points will probablly be one of the worst choices they could ever make. I sit in theed, noticing how empty it is and that depresses me, but what would depress me even more is to see it filled with afk macrobots because theres no cost anymore. And we all know the track record with choices, if they did remove the SP we'd still have the buffing and healing, which means everyone and their mother would get an alt and do music/dancer for free, just to buff their main whenever they want.
This is something that definately should not come to pass.
This is something that definately should not come to pass.
Maisland
Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:29 pm
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As I said in my post on the dancer forum, I do not want the profession to become 0 a skill point cost one... however a slight reduction would be welcome to me... just enough of a reduction that I could master all 4 of the entertainer masteries (Dancer, Entertainer, Image Designer and Musician)on one character AS LONG AS that character had NO OTHER professions trained. (Either that or give me 16 more skill credits 
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Maisland
Wed Feb 09, 2005 7:18 pm
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That would still leave me 1 point short of what I would need for my dream character.
Venoch wrote:
Lol we can make novice ent cost nothing, hahahaha
Also, it would allow combat characters to take novice ent at no cost, thus allowing them to heal their own BF and mind wounds (admittedly at a reduced rate) for free... UNLESS, it was only "free" if it was the ONLY basic novice profession taken.
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