Musician Archive
Thread: My Experiences With Buffing
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Banthabutcher
Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:42 pm
#1
I know, it's pretty much required for an ATK Musician to loathe buffbots with a passion. However, is the game entirely to blame?
Anyone on Naritus who frequents the Theed cantina should notice me every once in a while--I'm usually the only Master Musician playing there. If not there's only 1-3 other people who ever come there. Anyways, there's no buffbot at the Theed cantina (anymore) so I get asked to buff a lot. Here's the summation of what happens:
Person: Hey can you buff me?
Kodo': Sure
/setperform person
Kodo': You probably know the drill. Just listen to me for about 5 minutes and then /stoplisten on me.
Person: Thx
*5 minutes later*
*Person just stops listening and leaves.*
Kodo' (in group chat): Geez...not even a thank you.
That's about what happens 90% of the time. I don't get 3 lines of conversation out of the person, and I don't even get a Thank You let alone a tip. Every once in a while I'll get a nice person who talks to me for the 5 minutes and then gives me a tip, any tip, afterwards. But what really makes me angry is this:
*Hour after afore-mentioned encounter the same person comes back*
Person: I just died. Buff me again.
Kodo': No.
Person: What the @$&*!? Why not?
Kodo': Because you were inconsiderate and rude last time.
Person: You little **edit**. Why the hell should I tip you when there's buffbots for free? And it's not like you have costs like docs. %$@* you.
Kodo': All I ask is for a simple thanks when I go out of my way to buff you.
Person: Shut your cockholder.
Pardon the language, but something seems to get lost when I censor it.
That happens from time to time. Most of the time they just say something along the lines of "Whatever, I'll just go to Coronet and get buffed by the buffbot."
To my fellow musicians/dancers, you all know what I'm talking about.Nearly all of you have experienced this at some point.
To anyone else reading this: think about how we feel when the above happens. When you say "Well just be there to buff us!" take in mind the scenario I just described. Would you continue to buff people, without even accepting payment up front, if this happened to you all the time?
Just thought I'd get my opinion out there. It's just as much the players' fault as it is game design.
Kinnison75
Mon Jul 26, 2004 9:54 pm
#2
same, worst encounter was a person BEGGED me to play so I could heal his 600+ BF.
I played for about 15 minutes, he got healed, and left to do a mission with someone, and never tipped me. Lets just say I dont play there (anhorhead) anymore. WHere are the bouncers, or cover charges? a pure entertainer cannot make any reliable money unless they do missions (pennies for an hour of labor if your without a combat skill) or selling crafter instraments. We rely on the tips, yet there are too many that think the healing XP is enough and treat us like droids.
/appluad
He got what was coming to him.
buffing has ruined this game, when a noivce can get buffed and take on creatures they couldn't handle solo until they were buffed. There is no rewards for going unbuffed
I played for about 15 minutes, he got healed, and left to do a mission with someone, and never tipped me. Lets just say I dont play there (anhorhead) anymore. WHere are the bouncers, or cover charges? a pure entertainer cannot make any reliable money unless they do missions (pennies for an hour of labor if your without a combat skill) or selling crafter instraments. We rely on the tips, yet there are too many that think the healing XP is enough and treat us like droids.
/appluad
He got what was coming to him.
buffing has ruined this game, when a noivce can get buffed and take on creatures they couldn't handle solo until they were buffed. There is no rewards for going unbuffed
Amythen
Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:16 pm
#3
One would thinkthey would realize that theyare far better off by just giving you a tip in the amount of the ticket price to Coronet?
I know 700 credits isn't a lot, and definately not enough to make up for that kind of insolence, but its just a thought I had.
Banthabutcher
Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:18 pm
#4
It's not so much the money as it is showing a little common courtesy and appreciation.
I'd be happy with a Thx or a 1 credit tip. Just something.
Larmo
Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:05 am
#5
I know, it makes upset to see the same thing.
At one point a few weeks ago, early in the morning I was logging into the Smuggler's Outpost on Endor. There was a group headed to the DWB and asked if I would buff them before they left. I figured why not. Probably 13-14 people in the group. Buff ended, cantina cleared out. No Thank yous, no tips. I stopped playing on Endor after that, and I was the only one a lot of the time I was there.
Tarnak_Archvold
Tue Jul 27, 2004 6:51 am
#6
It was the Holo grind that ruined the tips. Ones people started to grind Musician and dancer just to drop it again the healing xp became the limiting factor. Now healing XP had value and the grinders did not care about tips, they just wanted to get throe the entertainer professions as fast as possible, and did not care about what that did to anyone who wended to remain master. The grinders actuarially saw it as a favour to let them heal you, just like a tumbler is doing a favour for a grinding medic/doc.
Unfortunately people have now gotten use to free BF and mind wound healing, it is now seen as a right to have ones BF and mind wounds healed, not as a service we perform. I will take months to have this mindset changed back, perhaps it will even be imposible.
Unfortunately people have now gotten use to free BF and mind wound healing, it is now seen as a right to have ones BF and mind wounds healed, not as a service we perform. I will take months to have this mindset changed back, perhaps it will even be imposible.
Ravanne_Esi
Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:15 am
#7
Tarnak_Archvold wrote:
It was the Holo grind that ruined the tips. Ones people started to grind Musician and dancer just to drop it again the healing xp became the limiting factor. Now healing XP had value and the grinders did not care about tips, they just wanted to get throe the entertainer professions as fast as possible, and did not care about what that did to anyone who wended to remain master. The grinders actuarially saw it as a favour to let them heal you, just like a tumbler is doing a favour for a grinding medic/doc.
Unfortunately people have now gotten use to free BF and mind wound healing, it is now seen as a right to have ones BF and mind wounds healed, not as a service we perform. I will take months to have this mindset changed back, perhaps it will even be imposible.
Many times I've seen people come in for heals of mind wounds and BF who feel that not only should they not tip you for healing but you should tip them for being kind enough to bring their wounds to you. The incredibly short sighted actions of the DEVs in instituting hologrinding has done more to ruin this gamethan almost anything could.
OrionsByte
Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:57 am
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Tarnak_Archvold wrote:
It was the Holo grind that ruined the tips. Ones people started to grind Musician and dancer just to drop it again the healing xp became the limiting factor. Now healing XP had value and the grinders did not care about tips, they just wanted to get throe the entertainer professions as fast as possible, and did not care about what that did to anyone who wended to remain master. The grinders actuarially saw it as a favour to let them heal you, just like a tumbler is doing a favour for a grinding medic/doc.
Unfortunately people have now gotten use to free BF and mind wound healing, it is now seen as a right to have ones BF and mind wounds healed, not as a service we perform. I will take months to have this mindset changed back, perhaps it will even be imposible.
/agree
Even if you put aside the hologrinding craze, buffbots have the same effect. People get used to getting buffs without having to give anything back (not even a thank you), and eventually they think of entertainers as NPCs. Why would you interact with an NPC?Why would you tip an NPC? Why would you thank an NPC? (side note: personally I love getting in to arguments with NPCs just to get the reaction from other people nearby 
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)What buff-bots did wasteach the SWG citizens that buffing doesn't "cost" us anything, so the don't feel inclined to reimburse us for anything. And like Tarnak said, that's going to take a long time to un-learn.
-ArkhoN-
Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:05 pm
#9
TBH, I wasn't buffed by an entertainer yet in my 3 weeks of playing again cuz when I stopped playing ages ago there were no such things as buffs, or merely only to the insiders and powerplayers, so the entertainer has to target you with setperform to make it work? hmm k.
On a sidenote, I've always tipped entertainers when I needed to get that nasty BF healed in order to receive good doc buffs again, I usually listen and watch diff entertainers at the same time in order to speed up the process and always both of them have received tips from me, always higher than 1k+, I know it's not alot, but I'm not sure what to tip afk dancing/playing music entertainers if they don't precisely say what they want for their services, buffing master musicians would probably get minimumtips in the 10k range, that's my opinion, doctors keep getting 20k from me now, since they have to buy their meds if they dont craft them themselves.
NewJedi
Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:58 pm
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Good thread. You all are right: both courtesy and tipping have gone downhill since the advent of Hologrinding. A tip used to be a common occurrence. Now it's sort of a surprise to get one. And thank yous are, if anything, rarer. 
Tiaga
Thu Jul 29, 2004 12:33 pm
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OrionsByte wrote:What buff-bots did wasteach the SWG citizens that buffing doesn't "cost" us anything, so the don't feel inclined to reimburse us for anything. And like Tarnak said, that's going to take a long time to un-learn.
Unfortunately that isn't unique to entertainers. Some people don't understand why resource harvesters have the gall to charge 2 CPU on resources that don't even cost them 1 to harvest. Or why good weapons cost so much more than bad ones, when they use the same type of resources.
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