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This has come up before ingame, and probably many times here I agree that group tips really mostly benefit the AFK macroer, which is why I'd propose the following implementation:

Group Tips Option

Tip command

This would be set by the Group Leader. I think there's a quick short-term way to handle it.

1) /TipInclude . This is a command used to flag a player to be included in the Tip distribution.

2) /TipExclude . Same thing in reverse.

3) /TipList. A list of all group members with asterisks (*) next to their name to denote them as receiving a split of the tip.

Band Management Window

The longer-term way would include a window that pops up and gets dynamically updated with a list of group members and which have checkboxes next to each. This window could expand the features to includes a percentage of the split per player. While it would default to an even distribution, the group leader could decide who's doing more or less "work." The window could include statistics on each player including time in band and number of flourishes performed. This certainly isn't the only way to gauge a band member's "effectiveness" of course. That's why the ultimate distribution of percentages is entirely up to the Leader.

We've all probably been in groups where people have gone AFK for anywhere from a minute to 8 hour spans. Entertainment group dynamics, by virtue of our skills, have built in social politics to them. Putting these commands in the hands of a Group Leader wouldn't be any worse than not having it at all and hoping the group leader is conscientous enough to /tip out a percentage to the each band member as they see fit.

If a band member isn't happy with the current distribution system, they have as much right as any to speak up, and as much right as any to leave the band if unhappy with the results.

These are only meant to be tools to help facilitate what many voluntarily do anyway.

You're absolutely right. But you need to extend the list of conditions

1. A person who doesn't like AFK macroers and is in a group them needs to leave


2. A person who doesn't like the fact that the Group Leader allows AFK macroers needs to leave


3. A person who doesn't like the manual-use of /tip to distribute money to AFK macroers needs to speak up, and if unhappy with the result, leave.

It's very important that all players take into consideration that they may have a minority viewpoint.

This never needs to be implemented ifthe leaderjust kicked the AFK people. I'm not talking if people go afk for 5 mins or what not, but those who you know are just AFK and running their macros.

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Darniaq wrote:

You're absolutely right. But you need to extend the list of conditions

1. A person who doesn't like AFK macroers and is in a group them needs to leave


2. A person who doesn't like the fact that the Group Leader allows AFK macroers needs to leave


3. A person who doesn't like the manual-use of /tip to distribute money to AFK macroers needs to speak up, and if unhappy with the result, leave.

It's very important that all players take into consideration that they may have a minority viewpoint.

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what are you saying, Darniaq? That you are in favor of AFKers and anyone who doesn't like them needs to leave?

Not at all

What I'm saying is that there are more types of players, and more ways to like or dislike them, than any possibly creatable combination of game commands.

It all comes back to two realities of Bands:

• Does the Leader like the players


• Do the Players like the leader

All anyone can do in these games is provide tools for both sides to communicate better and/or more efficiently. No tool can take away opinion.

Right now, anyone who receives a tip has complete control over what to do with it. That's basically because the Band does not know when someone receives a tip unless that someone tells them they did.

My own policy in this regard is to spread the tips I receive to those players I personally feel are playing most actively. There's no hard and fast rule here. If someone's in the band and has been AFK for two hours (when I generally actively flourish for five, in a full band, while RPing, trading, announcing, sometimes even leading and have the tired eyes to show for it ), I do not forward them a part of the tip I received. If they come back and are active thereafter, any tips I get divided to include them.

Some people are very consistent. Some will actively play for X number of hours and log. Others will actively play X number of hours and AFK. Still others will actively play, leave the group and find a corner to AFK. It happens. It's not up to me to decide who should do what.

But it is up to me, as it is up to everyone, to make their own realtime subjective calls and decide how to address them at that time.

That's all I'm saying. The above /tip commands are just tools to do what some of us do already.

ok, I gotcha!

It is certainly your choice to tip someone your part of a tip you got from someone else. But what if that person who tipped you also tipped everyone else the same? You are giving up your tip for them when they were already tipped.I keep all tips that are given to me personally, unless the person who tipped me asked to have it split.

I am totally opposed to the /tipsplit command that is in the game now, but doesn't apparently work. The /tipsplit command is an autosplit to the group when in actuality someone might have wanted to tip you personally. The person tipping you may not have wanted any of his hard earned credits to go to someone else but you. Of course this is fine if everyone in the group agree's to have this option on.

This is why a /tipgroup or /tipband...whatever needs to be implimented. That way the person tipping has the choice if they want to tip the whole group, or just one person or maybe several. This shouldbe another tool that you are talking about that should be given to us.

I definitely agree that's an issue Akerri. It does happen sometimes that I will get personally tipped by, say, a friend or someone who knows me and who has talked to me for some amount of time. Those I keep.

This is just another part of the subjectivity When someone runs into the cantina, sits and says nothing for some amount of time, gets up, tips and leaves, I assume (right or wrong) that they enjoyed the benefit of a far reduced downtime based on the size of the players and dancers in the band. I therefore feel that what I coulda done for them solo in 10 minutes was reduced to 2 minutes by being part of the band, and that the band should reap the reward that couldn't get to them for lack of a good command system.

And thenI decide who gets it

It happens somewhat automatically. Sometimes I'll actually get /tip'd back the money for various reasons. Like, some people actually scroll back through their chatlog after returning from AFK and return tips they received because they feel they don't deserve them. Other times it'll be a returned tip with a /tell about how the tipper was a friend of their's and already tipped them. I generally ask each time the group does a major membership shift if anyone specifically doesn't want to be included in /tips. I'll give to anyone who doesn't say "no." Sometimes that even prompts people to share their tips, which is all anyone can ask.

I've just been in bands where I've never received a tip once in a five hour period. When I'm leading, I try to ensure that everyone at least gets something for their time. Random pickup bands in cantinas is not the path of the rich