Musician Archive
Thread: Idea/Discussion: Give Entertainer professions combat levels
I proposed something like this earlier. However, I thought it would be nice to have musicians pick up some Bard skills. These skills would allow us to give our group members a short 5 min or so buff. These short buffs would be about the as variedas all the foods chefs can make. This would be nice because it would allow us non-afk entertainers to get out thier and enjoy exploring the planets with our friends. It would also make us entertainers a wanted proffesion to have in your group for tough mobs. Allowing us to earn a living in some other way then begging for tips. Some idea for these buffs we might give are as follows. If you have some more ideals please add them.
1. Increased combat speed
2. Increased healing speed
3. damage mitagation
4. accuacy bonus
5. terrain neg
6. poisen resis and diease resis
7. etc etc etc
Making these buffs only last for 5 mins would help from people using afk musicians to take this bussiness away from us full time musicians. These buffs should last longer for master musicians and shorter for less trained musicians. This has a great potential and I hope this gets some serious talking about.
Anow (Corbantis Server)
Message Edited by Jillzar on 07-04-2005 03:09 PM
Jillzar wrote:
Yea bummer I was not thier, however I still have a voice. I intend to not be forced to into playing a afk entertainer. So I will keep posting ideals such as this. I know I am one of the few non afk musicians but oh well.
Anow
Many of the people who post on the Entboards seem to be pretty much against AFK play too. However I do not feel that becoming a bad is the best way for Entertainers to go either.
I assume you mean Bard. Well if you dont havesuggestions for a better way to make musician not an afk playing style I would and am open to suggestions. All you seem to be saying is "I dont want" but offer no suggestions contructive or otherwise. And what the heck does being a bard have to do with having your music affect players in some way other then a exp buff. I hate to say it but you all sound like afkers. Not that I dont go afk from time to time to do laundry or wash the dishes. But for the love of god sometimes I wouldn't not mind doing a deathwatch bunker run, or do some of those missions on Kash. I am a master entertainer,muscian, and doctor. I would like to see more of the game then a cantina. Yes I have a jedi alt, I also have a ranger-riflemen alt. But seriouly it would be fun to use my musician for more then sitting in a cantinabegging for a tip.
Anow
Jillzar wrote:
I hate to say it but you all sound like afkers.
*chuckles*
Anyway, I was looking at our old Dancer Issues list (to see how far we'vecome, not too bad actually) and noticed we had this:
Ravenmist wrote:
A few reasonable (non bard like) field abilities? Ability to distract mobs? Npcs? (short stun, confusion, draw attention/aggro?) (hey, it makes sense I think) Perhaps a resistance to B.F.?
We ALL sound like afkers? ALL of us...wow...
I have gone afk for bios..or to answer the phone/door...or to grab a drink and snack/food..but I have NEVER "played" afk. I am a Master Musician/Master BE and all of my exp gain was done while I was at the keyboard. Hmm, doesn't sound like an afker to me...I've seen a few posts by others that don't seem like afkers either. To say all of us aound like afkers is a bit much, don't you think?
I agree with you, being "stuck" in a Cantina buffing only stinks....perhaps if we could buff lesser versions outside than we do inside of a Cantina. As far as being a Bard..well, I've always known a Bard to be a "jack of all trades Master of none", so no...I don't really want to be a Bard either. I remain puzzled as to the fact that Master Musician does not include ALL the available instruments of Entertainer unless it is Mastered as well...perhaps the time has come to do away with that and make Entertainer a seperate Class that stands alone and to "absorb" the current Entertainer trees into their respective Master areas. I say this because all I have seen indicates we are loosing more than we gain and it seems that would be the easiest way to resolve it.
No matter what is said in the end it is all about Balance and about getting rid of the AFK folks. Well, perhaps the balance is coming (hopefuly SOON) and as far as AFK folks..well I'm sure Sony could make it harder to play the game AFK if they wanted to, but they get their money either way so I'm betting it isn't that big of a deal to resolve as far as they are concerned. All I can say is maybe we should all encourage other folks who aren't afk to join us in NOT "using" the AFK players when we encounter them...I'd be willing to consider it a "tip" from folks I buff if they'd not use AFK folks and am not shy in telling them that when they ask "how much for the buff?" (that is when anyone wants the pitiful buff I have left..).
I remain optimstic in my hopes that the Devs are reading this right along with the players and are seeing/hearing the problems and attempting to resolve the issues that they stem from *crosses her fingers*. Yes, there are good ideas here and the more we toss around, is perhaps, the more we help. The game,after all, is nothing without the players....
Jillzar wrote:
I assume you mean Bard. Well if you dont havesuggestions for a better way to make musician not an afk playing style I would and am open to suggestions. All you seem to be saying is "I dont want" but offer no suggestions contructive or otherwise. And what the heck does being a bard have to do with having your music affect players in some way other then a exp buff. I hate to say it but you all sound like afkers. Not that I dont go afk from time to time to do laundry or wash the dishes. But for the love of god sometimes I wouldn't not mind doing a deathwatch bunker run, or do some of those missions on Kash. I am a master entertainer,muscian, and doctor. I would like to see more of the game then a cantina. Yes I have a jedi alt, I also have a ranger-riflemen alt. But seriouly it would be fun to use my musician for more then sitting in a cantinabegging for a tip.
Anow
I thinkit would be best to calm down a bit. Calling people names andbeing accusatorydoesn't contribute to the discussion constructively, either.
Look, the bottom line is, yes we agreesome of us would like our Musicians to do more than sit in a cantina, begging for a tip.
HOWEVER - a Musician's place is NOT on the battlefield or in the Death Watch Bunker, in my opinion. If we go there, we deserve to get creamed. As for the missions on Kashyyyk, well - the very fact that there is NOTHING for Entertainers to do on that planet, AND we had to ask them to freakin' activate the cantinas on that planet, after the expansion launched, so we at least COULD do something if we wanted to,was just shameful. I reported that bug with the cantinas, I reported the complete and total lack of content on Kashyyyk for Entertainers, in the Beta threads. A Dev even responded about the cantinas, but still nothing was done until another Dev came by after launch and said they'd finally activate them (in response to a thread entitled something like "Entertainers are NOT welcome on Kashyyyk."
I will NOT accept another expansion that offers absolutely, positively, NOTHING to a playstyle upon release. It is inexcusable, and sitting in a big tree watching everyone else running around having fun is NOT content. I remain very bitter there isn't a single bit of Entertainer missions or content on that Wookiee planet, namely because I'm a Wookiee and a Musician, and all I got was that lousy Varactyl and sitting in a big tree.
The problem isn't access to old content, necessarily. The very apparent problem is the complete and total lack of interest by the Dev team to include in any NEW content. Do you know how many missions and quests there are on Kashyyyk? It's absolutely mind blowing. 100's, I swear. And you know what? Not one, not a SINGLE mission on that planet involves Entertainers. That is shameful. There's even a cantina deep in the Myyrdril caves, but a pure Entertainer on their own would have a very difficult time reaching it, and all thequests from the cantina folks involve combat. If NEW content were designed AROUND us, and there wasn't a feeling we had to find a way to get content already put in, then we'd be fine. Until that attitude is taken in design, we're screwed. Sorry folks, but it's true.
Very basic Kashyyyk example: Entertainers get secret passages to travel around places easier and faster. *smacks self in the head* Was that really so hard? How about an "above the forest floor" travel option? Why do we have NO apparent representation when new content is being developed?
Solving the basic "getting from here to there" problem is a helluva good problem, and it was told to the Devs time and time again during the CU testing. They seemed uninterested. So, here we are, and all we can do is gather people's ideas for what they would like to do, and what they would not like to do in order to survive.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on this subject. If people have ideas to contribute, they will contribute them. Just because someone isn't keen on an idea doesn't mean they simply must have a counter-idea that is better than yours, or any counter-idea at all. It just means they're not fond of your approach, and it's not something that interests them.
Ok, I'm done. For now. 
Combat effectiveness is one of the things I sacrifice by taking up entertaining skills. Personally I've not had a problem being part of a 5 - 8 person group as CL14 (mdance/mmusic/novice carbineer). Am I the highest damage dealer? Of course not. But I survive, complete missions and gain a good rate of exp.
Something permanant seems too combat oriented to me.
Of course I hate the level system anyway, especially as a CH, but not much to be done about it. /shrug
Jillzar wrote:
I assume you mean Bard. Well if you dont havesuggestions for a better way to make musician not an afk playing style I would and am open to suggestions. All you seem to be saying is "I dont want" but offer no suggestions contructive or otherwise. And what the heck does being a bard have to do with having your music affect players in some way other then a exp buff. I hate to say it but you all sound like afkers. Not that I dont go afk from time to time to do laundry or wash the dishes. But for the love of god sometimes I wouldn't not mind doing a deathwatch bunker run, or do some of those missions on Kash. I am a master entertainer,muscian, and doctor. I would like to see more of the game then a cantina. Yes I have a jedi alt, I also have a ranger-riflemen alt. But seriouly it would be fun to use my musician for more then sitting in a cantinabegging for a tip.
Anow
Regarding sentence 1- We've been making plenty of suggestions for a very long time now, but most of us are committed to keeping our profession noncombat. If you even bother reading my other posts in this thread (just this thread, I'm not asking a lot) I'm in favor of having non combat mastery offer some Clvls to represent realistically the kind of training any experienced person would have in a dangerous galaxy. The ship has sailed on giving Entertainers any sort of direct or semi direct Combat role, I don't miss it personally, and you're gonna have to get used to that route being closed.
Regarding sentence 2- You can stuff your Slitherhorn up your.... nahh you're not worth it. Prove to me that wanting Noncombat content means we're Pro AFK I demand proof.
PS- if you do get your head out of your posterior long enough to run a search, try my name in any of the Entertainer boards except ID. I'm insulted that you imply we don't seek solutions to Entertainer's problems.
True that non content for Musicians is killing us. However you could say that for a lot of classes other then us. What would be nice however is some skills that people had the need of. Fine you dont want to be bards. That is fine. But how about some skills that make our profession one that other players would want to have around for example. A buff for each class lasting the normal 200 mins or whatever.
jedi= faster force regen?
noobs= same inspriation buffs?
swordsmen= better accuacy?
smugglers= better slicing resuluts?
crafters= better expermetion results ?
And so on and so on. This would make the select profession seek us out and ask us to target them spearately with each buff.We could do this somehting like a doc buffs someone only we have to be playing music for the buff to work.
Anow Master Musician/Master Entertainer/Master Doctor