Musician Archive
Thread: A Cvil request as to exactly how buffbots hut *you* as a player?
Warryyr
Wed Sep 29, 2004 10:19 am
#14
By "playing" 100% of the time AFK, letting a macro run, you completely invalidate anyone who REALLY plays a character. By really playing, I mean someone who is human and touches their keyboard, who eats, drinks, uses a bathroom, sleeps, and works. Just about anyone does many of those things. Macroing bots do not. They're always there. It destroys the dynamic of the game to have players of a profession provide their benefits to the game community as an NPC function.
It not only invalidates anyone who really plays an Entertainer, it also destroys the social fabric of Star Wars Galaxies.
CloverRidge
Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:44 pm
#16
LyteFoot wrote:
Buff bots are taking over the Theed cantina on corbantis all the sudden. I recently mastered entertainer and musician and while doing it over the past couple of months I got to know a group as friends. We joked, flirted, lined up and performed together. As we mastered a few wandered off and some stayed. I got to where I would go in and set up my own little group so I didn't have to play SW1 all the time. Being the only master musician in the cantina at the time I got requests for buffs. Those requests ranged from polite to indifferent to down right rude. Then many of the people walked off without tipping or saying thank you because they normally deal with an NPC not a live person. Yes a bot is an NPC, but to SOE's credit it is a PAYING NPC.
Since the buffbots moved in this past weekend I've only had buff requests from friends, guild mates, and a couple of hunters who I got to know over the past couple weeks. All the others run right to the bot even waiting in line when I tell them I'm open for immediate buffing. All but a couple of my friends have left the cantina so now I'm pretty much alone in a sea of afk grinders and bots.
A profession I started to spend time with a friend, came to love, and enjoy thoroughly is being utterly decimated by AFK play. I spent the evening out harvesting for our chef.Pointing my toon at a layer of shaupats, clicking attack, and watching my T21 two shot kill is less boring than sitting in the cantina all alone because what I enjoy is the social aspect and trying to create songs others actually enjoy listening to but there isn't much of anyone there to listen.
Comp, buffs, and AFK play are killing this game. There is little risk, I can solo ancient Rancor for goodness sake. There is little opportunity to sample some of the cooler features after all every dungeon is camped by someones AFK toon. It is difficult to get some loot items because every NPC spawn spot is covered by some AFK player. There is no social interaction anymore beyond shouting "LOOKING FOR SOLO GROUP" and "how much fer buffs". How SOE doesn't hear a death knell in the concept of a solo group I simply don't understand.
Hey I'm exciting and you left me last night to head out with your babe!! All because I took off my pink chef hat outfit.../cry
gforce73
Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:12 pm
#17
I love buff bots. I have one. I put her in my house. I add all my friends to the privacy list, then we can go get buffs anytime we need them without worrying about having to track down someone who is a master dancer/musician and begging them to buff us. Running around overt looking for buffs is not fun. I mean if someone wants to volunteer to sit in my house all day and buff my friends and I, please pm me. If not well, let's keep buff bots 
picklesSW
Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:21 pm
#18
gforce73 wrote:I love buff bots. I have one. I put her in my house. I add all my friends to the privacy list, then we can go get buffs anytime we need them without worrying about having to track down someone who is a master dancer/musician and begging them to buff us. Running around overt looking for buffs is not fun. I mean if someone wants to volunteer to sit in my house all day and buff my friends and I, please pm me. If not well, let's keep buff bots
That's what people like to call "narcissism". Believe it or not, it's not all about you. You either need a reality check or a few more years past puberty under your belt.
Nice necro post.
Tralmek
Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:24 pm
#19
*reads through gforce73's posting history*
Musician, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, GAT,Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, GAT,Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi, Doctor
Hmm, perhaps you could pull your head out of your lightsaber and look around for a second? There are other people out here who need to make a living, and buffbots disrupt our chance at doing that.
If you want to have an Entertainer for buffing yourself and friends, do it. Just play it while you're there, and deactivate it when you leave. Then you and your friends have buffs, and Live Entertainers won't have to complain about your desctructive activities. Better yet, you could delete your buffbot, make friends with some Entertainers, and be saving fifteen dollars a month!
picklesSW
Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:28 pm
#20
I swear, it's too easy. Can we get some intelligent people in here to argue on behalf of the buffbots? Because, quite frankly, the current crop is lacking. From a mental challenge standpoint, they're like ants trying to beat up a gorilla. 
*high fives Lilo*
*high fives Lilo*
MusicalDina
Wed Nov 03, 2004 7:57 am
#22
well lets not stoop to personal flaming.
But you are right. I have never heard an argument besides "i want buffs when i want them and dont want to go around looking for them."
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Why shouldnt you?
You go around looking for guns. You go around looking for doc buffs. You go around looking for armor. Well unless you personally are one or you have a friend that is one. WHY SHOULDNT IT BE THE SAME FOR ENTERTAINERS?
People say we arent ever there so they go to the buffbot. Well, i can say that even when we are they go to the buffbot. People say we are too hard to find. Well there are live ents buffing in coronet and theed quite often - you go there for doc buffs anyways. Come on people, face it there is no reason for it other than pure selfishness.
As was stated above, just look around, there is 100s of posts as why buffbots, and afkers, are bad for me, you, and the game.
Beery
Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:45 am
#23
"But now I'm honestly curious as to exactly how it affects each of you who hate buff bots so much. "
Simple: they stop me earning the money I deserve for actually working at this profession. I mean if you had a job ina real world company, and you found that some guyin your departmentwas gettingpaid the same money fordoing the same job as you, but instead of actually doing the job,he had installed a wax dummy athis desk andwas collecting a paycheck andsitting at home every dayplaying computer games, how would you feel? Then,when youwent to the boss to show how this workerwas letting your department down and tocomplain that he wasn't pullinghis weight, if the bossignored you, how would you feel? Then, when you showed the boss the dummy, if you got suspended, how would that make you feel? Would you feel happy? I don't bloody wellthink so.
Entertainers aren't just in this game to heal and provide buffs. An entertainer's job is much more than that. Buffbots aren't pulling their weight. Sure, they buff and heal just like the rest of us, but that's not what the job is really about.
LyteFoot
Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:07 am
#24
Unfortunately Beery to some percentage of the player community that is all an enterainer's job is, buff and heal. Just like a doctors is to buff and heal. Some people don't want RP, they don't want interaction, they don't want down time from shooting stuff, all they want is a game where they and their small universe of friends can hang together and blow stuff up. Its totally wrong IMO but then again I'm older and enjoy the variety and socialization. This same universe of players who only want the game mechanics portion of our role would be ecstatic with the blue frogs in live so they could insta-build their templates and buff at will.
Its like a previous game I was in. In that game you didn't really reach the point where you could participate in PvP until level 26 and many vets complained of having to level everytime they started a new character or changed factions. The community for the game was incredibly small so keeping these vets happy was important. The solution was to offer a fee service to immediately bump a new account to level 26. Those people didn't want any part of the game but the PvP combat and everything else was just a hinderance to them. They eventually drove off most of the non-hard core PvP players so that game now has peak populations of 50 players but they got what they wanted the opportunity to blow up the same people over and over with little downtime.
Fortunately here the population is big and diverse enough to find the majority who do enjoy other activities and simply ignore that other group.
Beery
Wed Nov 03, 2004 10:21 am
#25
"Unfortunately Beery to some percentage of the player community that is all an enterainer's job is, buff and heal. Just like a doctors is to buff and heal. Some people don't want RP, they don't want interaction, they don't want down time from shooting stuff, all they want is a game where they and their small universe of friends can hang together and blow stuff up."
I have no problem with that. They should be able to do that. But my problem comes when, instead of getting their buff and heal from me, they go to a buffbot. I'm perfectly capable of just doing the healing and buffing part of my job and getting them on their way, usually faster than a buffbot can. I'm a professional and I can tell when customers don't want to chat. That's part of my job too. This game should work for everyone, and I make it my business to cater to all types, all preferences, of people who come into the cantina. But why do I get the distinct impression that for a large portion of the 'leet' community that same sense of communityrespect is lacking?
fett3041
Wed Nov 03, 2004 11:19 am
#26
LyteFoot wrote:
Unfortunately Beery to some percentage of the player community that is all an enterainer's job is, buff and heal. Just like a doctors is to buff and heal. Some people don't want RP, they don't want interaction, they don't want down time from shooting stuff, all they want is a game where they and their small universe of friends can hang together and blow stuff up. Its totally wrong IMO but then again I'm older and enjoy the variety and socialization. This same universe of players who only want the game mechanics portion of our role would be ecstatic with the blue frogs in live so they could insta-build their templates and buff at will.
Its like a previous game I was in. In that game you didn't really reach the point where you could participate in PvP until level 26 and many vets complained of having to level everytime they started a new character or changed factions. The community for the game was incredibly small so keeping these vets happy was important. The solution was to offer a fee service to immediately bump a new account to level 26. Those people didn't want any part of the game but the PvP combat and everything else was just a hinderance to them. They eventually drove off most of the non-hard core PvP players so that game now has peak populations of 50 players but they got what they wanted the opportunity to blow up the same people over and over with little downtime.
Fortunately here the population is big and diverse enough to find the majority who do enjoy other activities and simply ignore that other group.
These are the people who should be playing PlanetSide. I encourage every PVP addict to check it out. NO downtime, NO XP grind, NO death penalty, NObody with better armor or weapons than you. Just lots of running around killing and blowing things up.And lots of 'rock/paper/scissors'style combat, not'rock/bigger rock/biggest rock'
When I want to play a MMORPG, I play SWG. When I want to play an RTPVPFPS, I play PlanetSide. Afterall, you don't go to a burger joint for the best tacos.