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Thread: Wrong buff applied

Yiddo-Chimaera
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:46 am
#1

Hi


Although I am a dancer I took novice musician as no-one in theed had it. I applied the AS buff several times but with 1 person they kept getting the general buff instead ... anyone else had this?




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Red-Dwarf
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:52 am
#2


Did they use /stopw instead of /stopl?




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Yiddo-Chimaera
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:55 am
#3

I told them to /stopl but hard as they sometimes stop b4 end as no clear indication when buff finished


Will 'monitor'





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Red-Dwarf
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:58 am
#4

Were they listening or watching to any other entertainers?


Tell them to do /stopl and /stopw before they listen to you. Then not to watch any other dancer or listen to any other musician.


May be worth reading my guide in the entertainer forum, or getting them to (if they are having problems)





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Yiddo-Chimaera
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:59 am
#5

I'm the only musician in a cantina of dancers and they had just entered, but will try and remember to tell them to stop 1st.


Thanks for help





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Yiddo-Chimaera
Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:12 pm
#6

I think it'll be like most SoE changes ... potentially good, a few bugs to begin with but eventually they'll get it 90% working



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PoetDancer
Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:49 pm
#7


It is this sort of garbage that had everyone uptight and worried about wasting their time before the CU, with mind buffs. And be prepared to give a lot of refunds, and have a lot of anger toward us.


And the worst part about it is its not our fault, nor the patrons' fault.


Its just the system is too confusing, subject to error, and byzantine to work the way we need it to.


Buffing is too serious a matter to be lighthearted about.

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 09-01-2005 12:52 AM



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Yiddo-Chimaera
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:24 pm
#8

I'm sorry but whilst it annoys me when SoE release stuff without either fully testing it or with certain logical concepts missing (like a lack of an intuitive interface for buffing for the buffer and recipient) I have played this game long enough not to get stressed about it every time.


For all the problems, for all the whinging I do, for all the money I pay when it comes down to it SWG is just a game. It is fun but in the grand scheme of things I have far more important things to get stressed about. For that reason I tend to be light hearted about such things.


I do understand though people getting stressed and without people 'kicking off' for example then crafters would be getting a 10% increase in resource quality rather than the 1% or 2% they have got.


btw See there is a hotfix scheduled for mid-day today ... what glaring error in the patch did they miss this time?





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Landlubber
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:24 pm
#9






Yiddo-Chimaera wrote:
I think it'll be like most SoE changes ... potentially good, a few bugs to begin with but eventually they'll get it 90% working






Hehe.. you don't really think they plan to tweak or debug our buffs anymore, I hope. Now that they are on Live, they are a done deal as far as the Devs are concerned. We had our major content addition for this year, we won't get any more Devattention any time soon.


Which, I might add, is also how it works for the rest of the game. Any bugs that are introduced with new content take a long time to be adressed, and then only if enough people complain about it for long enough.





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Jacob_Entertainer
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:37 pm
#10



PoetDancer wrote:
It is this sort of garbage that had everyone uptight and worried about wasting their time before the CU, with mind buffs. And be prepared to give a lot of refunds, and have a lot of anger toward us.



Refunds? I think not - folk tip me after the buff has taken place if they then go and do something silly and lose the buff then it's no refund but I will gladly buff again. As I always ask people simply to tip whatever they consider appropriate it is up to the person getting the buff applied again whether or not they admit they lost the buff due to their error or not.

The players need to be educated about the new buffing system and how if you want a profession specific buff you must not watch or listen to any other performer other than the one providing your buff (and if you watch or listen to one after you got the buff it will be replaced by the general buff).




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PoetDancer
Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:50 pm
#11


If sitting back, watching a show, and listening to music requires "education" just so patrons can get what they go to the cantina to get, we can get paid by them, and everybody can have a good time, then it shows right there the system is fundamentally flawed.


This is too complicated to be "entertaining," and "relaxing." It is too dependent on a procedure to be followed strictly, and exactly, for it to work. It limits freedom, and makes us responsible for things we cannot control, just so we can do our jobs.


That is the problem with this system, and that is why it will fail. Too much can potentially go wrong.


Entertainment should be fun, and relaxing.


Not strict, and subject to error.



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Chessack
Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:41 am
#12

I haven't tried this yet but from the feedback I am seeing so far I would say... SOE needs to work on making this more intuitive.

Also, they need to give the person getting the buff an accept/decline option just like with ID. If I want to merchant buff you, you should get a popup saying I am trying to buff and asking if you accept. If so, you get the buff. If not, you can keep /listening and /watching but no buff is applied. That way there are no mistakes.

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Warryyr
Thu Sep 01, 2005 5:38 am
#13






PoetDancer wrote:


It is this sort of garbage that had everyone uptight and worried about wasting their time before the CU, with mind buffs. And be prepared to give a lot of refunds, and have a lot of anger toward us.


And the worst part about it is its not our fault, nor the patrons' fault.


Its just the system is too confusing, subject to error, and byzantine to work the way we need it to.


Buffing is too serious a matter to be lighthearted about.

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 09-01-2005 12:52 AM




Precisely.


I endured a massively buggy system of buffing pre-CU, and I simply will NOT accept a system that's far too confusing for the customer, and doesn't work right.


This needs to WORK, work well, and it NEEDS to be intuitive and not interfere with the concept that a cantina should be a relaxing place.


Nobody can relax when you're trying multiple times to get the buff right.


For example, the "Did they /stopwatch or /stoplisten?" questions are far too reminiscent of pre-CU. I don't want to deal with that garbage again. Make it work, make it work right, and as we've asked for God knows how long, make the process more OBVIOUS to people.


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