Musician Archive

So, with the removal of Entertainer Healing xp, things obviously change. This is what I understand to be how the new experience works as tested on TC.

First of all, there's a new experience type, called "Entertainer xp" - this xp is what's needed to learn line 4 of Entertainer, and lines 1 and 4 of Musician. Musician xp sticks around and is what's needed for line 2 of Entertainer and lines 2 and 3 of Musician. Entertainer Healing xp is completely gone.

There are (currently on TC) 4 ways to gain Musician-related xp.

- Musician xp is still gained from playing music while performing flourishes as it was gained before Publish 20. So, if you do one flourish, then on the subsequent "tick" you will gain some Musician xp. If you do two or more flourishes before the tick, you will gain approximately double that amount of Musician xp. Once you trigger the gain of Musician xp in this way, you continue to gain Musician xp at a decaying rate if you continue playing music, even without flourishing (e.g. 10 xp, 8 xp, 6 xp, 4 xp, 2 xp).

- Musician xp is still gained by crafting instruments. This is a relatively small amount of xp.

- Entertainer xp is gained from playing music while performing flourishes, similar but not exactly the same as the way you gain Musician xp from doing so. The amount of Entertainer xp gained after a tick in which you do any flourish is half of the amount of Musician xp granted for that tick. If you do not do a flourish during a tick, you do not gain Entertainer xp for that tick, even if you flourished during the previous tick. This differs from the decaying rate of Musician xp gained after doing a flourish.

- Musician xp is gained when someone in your group is playing music and in the process of inspiring someone (including if you are the one inspiring). This is similar to how Entertainer Healing xp used to be granted to the group when someone was inspiring before Publish 20. Note that the kind of xp granted from an inspiration depends on the action of the entertainer doing the inspiring, so if the inspiring entertainer is dancing, Dance xp will be granted to the group (even if you are currently playing music).

It should also be noted that the amounts of xp granted for playing music and flourishing have been increased. See my next post for details.

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Aleyo wrote:
The following numbers were gained on Test Center the night of July 6th. They are, of course, subject to change before going live. Note that numbers for Western were not available at the time (as my TC character hasn't learned it ). As usual, being in a group and having audience members boosts these numbers higher.

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Question, what willwe need to convert or use to learn the Western song. Will it be 400,000 of Musician XP or 400,000 of Entertainment XP?

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Maisland wrote:
What about characters with existing entertainment healing xp? Will that xp be converted to the "new" entertainer xp or left "orphaned" like the app points some of my characters still have?

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Converted (or at least my banked ent heal xp was).

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Red-Dwarf wrote:

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Maisland wrote:
What about characters with existing entertainment healing xp? Will that xp be converted to the "new" entertainer xp or left "orphaned" like the app points some of my characters still have?

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Converted (or at least my banked ent heal xp was).

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My banked Ent Healing xp turned to Entertainer xp - I also was left with an "Entertainer Healing: +0" in the "My Experience" box, but I've reported that as a bug too.

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Tammylynn wrote:

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Aleyo wrote:
The following numbers were gained on Test Center the night of July 6th. They are, of course, subject to change before going live. Note that numbers for Western were not available at the time (as my TC character hasn't learned it ). As usual, being in a group and having audience members boosts these numbers higher.

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Question, what will we need to convert or use to learn the Western song. Will it be 400,000 of Musician XP or 400,000 of Entertainment XP?

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I haven't been able to test it, but I would suspect it hasn't changed, and will still be 400,000 Musician xp.

What about characters with existing entertainment healing xp? Will that xp be converted to the "new" entertainer xp or left "orphaned" like the app points some of my characters still have?

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--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

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Aleyo wrote:

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--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

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Aleyo wrote:

To gain the most xp, you would flourish twice within each 10 second tick.

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Thank you, I will have to remember of edit my grind macro after the patch goes in.. Still need 8,000,000 Danceing xp to get to padawan =/

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Well, the same method is the way to get the most xp on live right now. Since, however, you mention dancing, I should point out that two flourishes per tick is specific to Musician - for Dancers to gain the most xp, you need only flourish once within each 10 second tick.

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Really? I just assumed it was the same time/flourish ratio for both professions...

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Dance flourish annimations last longer than the music phrases. Music phrases time out to 5 seconds almost exactly. Dance flos are sometimes shorter than 5 seconds, but also are occasionally 10 full seconds.

Also, music flos stack (up to 5 in a 10 second period) but dance flos do not. You can punch 5 flos in 10 seconds for music and the 3 not played are sequensed up for later playing. This can be done every 10 seconds ad infinitum. All flos sequensed in this method will play out in order.....ONLY for music tho.

Fragpuppie Uber
Master Musician/Master Entertainer

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Fragpuppie wrote:

Dance flourish annimations last longer than the music phrases. Music phrases time out to 5 seconds almost exactly. Dance flos are sometimes shorter than 5 seconds, but also are occasionally 10 full seconds.

Also, music flos stack (up to 5 in a 10 second period) but dance flos do not. You can punch 5 flos in 10 seconds for music and the 3 not played are sequensed up for later playing. This can be done every 10 seconds ad infinitum. All flos sequensed in this method will play out in order.....ONLY for music tho.

Fragpuppie Uber
Master Musician/Master Entertainer

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Well, ya learn something new everyday

Message Edited by --Qilue-UCW-- on 07-07-2005 02:33 PM

Scip, are you trying to muscle me out of the position of "number cruncher for entertainers"?

(You can have it! *flees and leaves the numbers to Scip*)

Seriously, it looks like entertainer xp is paying out what dance/music xp used to, and dance/music xp is paying about double. And not because of double xp, either.

(BTW, music phrases range from 3-5 seconds, depending on song. The longest dance flourish, for comparison, is over 20 seconds. Some dance flourishes can be as short as 3-5 though.)

Message Edited by Tiaga on 07-07-2005 04:50 PM

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Tiaga wrote:
Scip, are you trying to muscle me out of the position of "number cruncher for entertainers"?

(You can have it! *flees and leaves the numbers to Scip*)

Seriously, it looks like entertainer xp is paying out what dance/music xp used to, and dance/music xp is paying about double. And not because of double xp, either.

(BTW, music phrases range from 3-5 seconds, depending on song. The longest dance flourish, for comparison, is over 20 seconds. Some dance flourishes can be as short as 3-5 though.)

Message Edited by Tiaga on 07-07-2005 04:50 PM

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Hehe - I know how to do a number crunch, I've just generally avoided doing it cause it's a bunch of work, and there were others who were willing to do it . Last night for some reason I just felt driven to it though.

I don't usually crunch numbers just to do it. I do it with a purpose. For example the extreme levels of superstition and misinformation there used to be surrounding the old mind buff mechanics.

....and he beat me to the crunch too.

I don't mind really......that can be really long and tedious.

Fragpuppie Uber
Master Entertainer, Master Musician
Founding Member - Frag's Puppies
President and CEO - Fragpuppie Enterprises and Uber Instruments
Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra

Oh and the XP levels appear to be higher than the old music/dance levels. SW1 used to be 2/4 so the 3/7 of Entertainer XP is a welcome change.

Fragpuppie Uber
Master Entertainer, Master Musician
Founding Member - Frag's Puppies
President and CEO - Fragpuppie Enterprises and Uber Instruments
Coronet, Corellia, Chilastra