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Thread: just an idea on songs...

faiteAccompli
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:48 pm
#1

i got this idea while talking to someone while i was doing a gig mission.


anyway.. you know how cultures have their own style of music associated with them? just thought this would be a good way for musicians to learn new songs. like each planet / culture has its own style of music that you can only learn by travelling to the different planets. of course, the process of how to learn it .. that'd be a little itneresting to figure out. but this could apply to image design and dancing as well, as each culture has its own looks.. its own dances.


just think of the world's different cultures and the different dances / music / looks that are associated with each and you'll have an idea where i'm going with this, even though i probably didnt make it as clear as it is in my head.


just some silly ideas i thought i'd share.





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Balarex
Wed Jul 23, 2003 2:52 pm
#2

Nice idea.


Are there any plans for say "schematics" of new songs found in the wild, or talking with NPCs in cantinas and hotels? Make it part of an NPC mission? So rather than credits you would get a "trade secret" song or something.


I would love to have a reason to travel to other planets!


Tarac Haldon, Mos Espa, Tatooine, Bloodfin




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Bloodfin Entertainers Guild (BEG), near Bestine, Tatooine, aka BEGtine
sweatyclimber
Wed Jul 23, 2003 4:31 pm
#3

great idea i think it would be an excelent way to implement adding more songs to the game



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Ekhben
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:20 pm
#4

This idea is great. Do a Gig mission, someone in the audience asks you for another, you reply you don't know it, they give you an NPC who does know it, that NPC asks to hear you play then teaches you the new song, or some such.

Would you then be able to teach those to other musicians?





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KoraJubali
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:40 pm
#5

you could teach others but not on high difficulty instruments. Only the indigineous people could train people to the highest level. that would keep one guy from learning all the songs and then selling them to his buds back home. Unless that's the type of music industry we're after. ...



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Wendelius
Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:32 am
#6

I love that idea! It would bring variety and encourage musicians to travel the galaxy. Definitely something I'd like to see in the game.


Wendelius




Wendelius
aka Ka'neka, Master Entertainer and member of House Arcanum on Chilastra.
Wendel Shootingstar, party crasher and Novice Musician on Bria.
Darniaq
Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:39 am
#7

I love this idea!


The learning could happen as part of a Mission. Successful completion in a multi-step, say multi-hour, mission would result in new Sheet Music. This would be returned to the original NPC to allow them to train you in a new Ability.


When that player (the Learned) gets into a band populated with others who don't know the song (the Defaults ), only the Learned can start the band with that song. They can also teach it to others. In my hope that they do something about the Language learning system, I offer a more complex concept than simply "click to train" the song. It'd devalue it for me if one person could finish the mission and train an entire server in what should be a unique song with some value to it in its uniqueness.



Learn over Time.


The Learned could offer to "teach" the song to anyone in the group, just as they would skills. However, the song takes time to learn. Each band member who volunteered to learn the song from the Learned one would be able to partake in the song. There would be two skill counters that begin here:


1) Cacaphony. Like Dancers who can stumble, Musicians can miss notes or be off key. If the band is playing a song nobody but a few, or one, knows, then they'll "mess it up" X number of times over a Y period of time. X would decrease and Y would increase as they "learn" the song. When a player leaves the band, they retain the knowledge they learned even if they didn't finish it. Skills that decay over time are nice on paper, but just compel grinding to a goal in situations like this sometimes.


2) Learned. This is a simply linear skillup. At Z value, the player goes from Default to Learned, and become capable of teaching the song to others, and leading a band in playing it.


The issue is that this is the sort of complexity that didn't make it to Languages. I'm not sure this could be justified as a high enough priority just yet. Which leads to an easier implementation



The Other Way


The more rigid way would be to force everyone who wanted the song to do the Mission. This has value unto itself. However, the problem could be similar to Master Musicians never being able to play their highest songs in a Cantina. It would take some amount of time for the missions to be completed by everyone, a time which can yield frustration for a player that rarely gets to play the song outside of doing so Solo or in a dedicated band.


Of course, the mission could be done in a group, so that each band member gets the reward at the end.



Either way would work for me. I'd do the missions and learn the songs and compel others to do it.




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BGZ
Thu Jul 31, 2003 12:45 pm
#8

I think this is a really good idea. Different areas that have different songs: this will encourage the entertainers to walk out of the cantina and see daylight from time to time. Also, maybe having each race to have their own songs



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dukdodgers
Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:31 pm
#9

Great ideas. Hopefully the devs see and consider this thread.



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Wendelius
Fri Aug 01, 2003 3:01 am
#10

No need to rely on the Devs seeing the thread, Dukdodgers. If enough people subscribe to the idea, it might make it into our Musician correspondant's Top 5 issues at some point and be sent to them directly.


Wendelius




Wendelius
aka Ka'neka, Master Entertainer and member of House Arcanum on Chilastra.
Wendel Shootingstar, party crasher and Novice Musician on Bria.
ArlanTH
Sat Aug 02, 2003 11:05 pm
#11

/agree


Great idea!





Arlan Starbright
Previously Mastered: Droid Engineer - Musician - Dancer - Entertainer - Image Designer - Merchant
Currently: Marksman - Rifleman - Politician - Medic - Scout

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Neekocha
Sun Aug 03, 2003 12:20 am
#12

Great idea. Just wanted to suscribe. I have nothing to add.

HamsterFett
Sun Aug 03, 2003 12:26 am
#13

Same here... this is a GREAT idea!
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