Musician Archive

Thread: What's this I hear about entertainer quests?

Aleyo
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:58 am
#1

Or more likely, what's this I don't hear about them.
I'm one of very few Tempest entertainers who post on the boards, which makes me believe I'm one of very few who reads them. Last night in my group in the cantina I asked if anyone had done the quests, and no one knew what I was talking about. I told a couple of people who were curious about them, but then after I logged I decided I'm not going to do that anymore. Yeah, I'll probably have fewer musicians to play Western with, but I'm not going to do SOE's job for them. If they don't want us to find the new content, then that's fine, they won't, cause I guarantee you at least 80% of the entertainer population I run into would never go exploring the theater to see what was going on there.




Scipionus Mentus
Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Master Dancer - Tempest
-I support ATK people and playstyles.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

Bim_Azul
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:05 am
#2

When your fellow musicians ask what song you're playing, just tell them it's Folk.



Bim Azul aka "Blue Mayonnaise" - unretired
ex-Mayor of Port Agrilat (rest in peace), Corellia, Bloodfin - Retired
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NewJedi
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:55 am
#3

In general, I find it irritating that one sometimes must read these boards to play this game. It's not just that quests and patches go missing from patch notes. It's also that often the game itself doesn't give you enough clear information about what you need to do where. E.g., first-time visitors to the Village are often completely perplexed. The game needs more signposts.


I think this problem has haunted SWG since day one. The original dev vision wasn't that people would use mission terminals as a centerpiece of gameplay. (Recall Q3P0's early post that they were designed as 15-minute side quests when you didn't have a lot of time, and that using them more would be boring.) The devs instead hoped we'd all run and do static quests from NPCs. But the game didn't breadcrumb you to the NPCs, which were harder to find than the terminals, and their quests were not necessarily any better.
Aleyo
Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:59 am
#4

Granted, that's a general problem with the game.
On the other hand, not putting these quests in the patch notes is at least a rung lower than the normal behavior for such things. Just another slap in the face for those of us who know anything about it (the common non-forum reading entertainer will go on living clueless and won't feel the knife in his back).




Scipionus Mentus
Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Master Dancer - Tempest
-I support ATK people and playstyles.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

Warryyr
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:11 am
#5

Yeah, I find it a pretty poor choice on their point. All in all, I give the Devs an F for this effort. Although the song/dance may be nice (broken dance base step aside), their treatment towards our communities during the development was just nightmarish. Nobody else should ever be treated like that during development of their new content ever again.


Their position was clear - they had more important things to do. Which fills me with such a lovely feeling, I tell ya. It's definitely not a warm fuzzy feeling to know that when they ask for feedback, no one really listens.


Not even being bothered to put our Quest in the Update Notes was the icing on the cake. That just tops this off as quite possibly the worst development experience of my entire SWG gaming history. I have no faith in this Dev team, nor anything they say, nor that anything will *really* ever be done with our profession. That's how they wanted it, that's how it will be.


By the way, decided to come back to the forums, lol. Here and there. I've cooled off enough, I think. Man, I was in a foul mood around here. Doing better, though - feeling more constructive and grounded. Not so enraged :\


I have a better grasp for how the NDA works in Beta now, too - just gotta watch what I want to post and make sure I'm in the right forum

Skuzz
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:29 am
#6

I usually cut the devs much slack, but i must agree with those that feel this was handled poorly. It was an abysmal example of how bad communication can be with SOE's dev team. My heart goes out to the correspondants, you guys must have near tibetan monk zen-ness to go thru all this without exploding sometimes.

Clearly its obvious what the current reason for the worse then normal communication is tho. *looks around for any SOE employees* /whisper J...T...L

Which i can understand as im really eager for it to go live as well, but come on SOE, leave a FEW people to talk to the rest of the game community. Lets hope that once JTL goes live and the primary initial bugs get squashed that SOE will turn their eyes back towards the main game again. *fingers crossed* 8)





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Warryyr
Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:42 am
#7






Skuzz wrote:
I usually cut the devs much slack, but i must agree with those that feel this was handled poorly. It was an abysmal example of how bad communication can be with SOE's dev team. My heart goes out to the correspondants, you guys must have near tibetan monk zen-ness to go thru all this without exploding sometimes.

Clearly its obvious what the current reason for the worse then normal communication is tho. *looks around for any SOE employees* /whisper J...T...L

Which i can understand as im really eager for it to go live as well, but come on SOE, leave a FEW people to talk to the rest of the game community. Lets hope that once JTL goes live and the primary initial bugs get squashed that SOE will turn their eyes back towards the main game again. *fingers crossed* 8)






Yeah, three cheers for our Correspondents! I lost my cool, but they never lost theirs. Kudos to them, I'd sent them each a Cookie-gram if I knew where to send it to.


Panthu and NewJedi, you guys are #1. Wait, how can you both be number 1...well you guys have to duke it out over who's number 1 and who's number 2.


Echinacea
Thu Oct 14, 2004 1:38 pm
#8




Aleyo wrote:
Granted, that's a general problem with the game.
On the other hand, not putting these quests in the patch notes is at least a rung lower than the normal behavior for such things. Just another slap in the face for those of us who know anything about it (the common non-forum reading entertainer will go on living clueless and won't feel the knife in his back).




ats Scipionus on the fanny


That's nice, dear. Now git in the Cantina and make me a sammich...an' git me a beer!


(This is a test of the emergency sardonicism broadcastsystem. This is only a test. If I'd actually harboured any ill will towards Scip, there'd be no doubt in anyone's mind. )



Col. Tarot v Starsider
Elder Master Entertainer and AXIS M.I.L.F.
Mathom © Starsider
Entertainer
Aleyo
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:04 pm
#9



Echinacea wrote:
ats Scipionus on the fanny
That's nice, dear. Now git in the Cantina and make me a sammich...an' git me a beer!
(This is a test of the emergency sardonicism broadcast system. This is only a test. If I'd actually harboured any ill will towards Scip, there'd be no doubt in anyone's mind. )





Thanks, you made my day. I think ya'll know I don't tend to get so down and bitter (or at least not post in such a tone) very often. This stuff finally got to me, as you can see in my previous posts from today, but you just made it much better!
And here's your beer, and a PB&J sammich!




Scipionus Mentus
Master Musician, Master Entertainer, Master Dancer - Tempest
-I support ATK people and playstyles.

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."

Echinacea
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:17 pm
#10

Ooooh, I love PB&J! Especially raspberry jam...beer, on the other hand, is just icky. Don't know how you guys stand it.



Col. Tarot v Starsider
Elder Master Entertainer and AXIS M.I.L.F.
Mathom © Starsider
Entertainer
Skuzz
Thu Oct 14, 2004 2:38 pm
#11

*** That's good to hear, just work on not repeating yourself so often now please? We are all pretty aware, in all three entertainer forums, how you feel on this. Is there really much point in repeating yourself ad nauseum? ***

Okay bunny I GOT ask bud... whats up with yer ultra-sensitivity on similar posts in different forums? Some people are very selective about which forums they frequent. I got no issues with Warryyr posted wherever he likes. Especially when dealing with new quests that are for Dancers "and" Musicians. Being as they both are "entertainers" it makes perfect sense that you'de want to cover all 3 forums.

Nobody forces anyone to read someone else's post. At least i dont THINK so anyways... *Skuzz looks around suspiciously*





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psikobunny
Thu Oct 14, 2004 4:47 pm
#12

A) We're not "buds"


B) My specific beef with Warryyr is seeing the same points over and overwith several posts inseveral threads every day he posts. It serves no other purpose than to turn a meaningful argument into white noise. Righteous indignation only goes so far, after that its pointless.


C) My specific beef with youwas that crossposting the same question is, its pointless and boring. Found it immensely funny that when I answered your question in Entertainer, you 5 starred me, and 1 starred me in Musician for pointing out you were repeating yourself.




Gilack Mehoipou [Bloodfin]


Quintuple Master- Marksman/Squad Leader/Rifleman/Vortex Pilot/Politician


Made it before all hell broke loose.



Skuzz
Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:20 pm
#13

Lol! Wow bunny did someone whizz in yer oatmeal this morning?


A) Clearly


B) Its still his right to post wherever he likes about whatever he likes. Welcome to the free world!


C) You got a 5 star for being helpful and a 1 star for being a punk and adding yet more hate to these boards. Remember some folks come here to get useful info and assistance not to read your endless efforts to be a forum cop.


Here's some advice: Take a deep breath, unclench, relax and chant, "Its only a game, this isnt real" Then back away from the PC and go get some fresh air. 8)


If you have more of this garbage to spew can ya please send it to me via private message so everyone else doesnt have to deal with it. It would be greatly appreciated im sure.





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