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Thread: Merchants should not be charged TAX!!!

JZeus-Sarono
Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:03 pm
#1

Im a master armor smith, and I sell hords of composite and ADV. ubese armor.. Well now with player cities and the tax incorperated, one thing I noticed that should not be...


I had a guy buy a helmet, was the wrong color so I told him to offer it back and get the right color and ill buy it back... well The helm was for 50k, with 2% tax comes to 51k.. well he offered it for 51K and i got charged the 2% tax on it, so it was 52,020.. now this thing I HAD to put back up for 50k looseing 2k for the helmet..


Now alot of you are probably saying.. poor millionair baby had to loos a few creds.. Well I own a business in RL and when i order from a distributer i pan NO TAX!! because the tax will come frome me retailing it... So what I'm saying is what if I was a resource dealer.. and this guy comes and offers 100k units of aluminum for 3 CPU, I "Should" get charged 300k and then I turn around and sell for 5 CPU.. 500k, now with me getting charged taxes I am loosing 2k of my profit per 100k perchase... Well what the heck is the differance between "retail" and "wholesale" in this game.. granted its small but add it up over time, 100 perchases of 100k material is 200k I'm loosing in the above senerio.


Now do you think I'm right? I mean I'm just thinking in business since ia all...


What If i was buying and selling Holocrons?? yes offer them for 3.5 mill I sell for 4-4.5 mill
I would get charged 70k in taxes for me buying it and then the customer would get charged 90k in taxes. the city raked it 160k in taxes lol.. Boy good for them.. But thats just what I fell it should be.. No taxes for offers to the merchant...


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hawke2
Fri Dec 19, 2003 10:12 am
#2

Oh, I was gonna say welcome to the real world but in this instance, you are right. I owned a business too and was not charged tax on things I purchased for my business.



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DingoBoi
Fri Dec 19, 2003 11:57 am
#3

agreed. I pay my contractors via this as I trust the vendor moreso than I trust banktip if they are not online. Too many people have lost credits via /banktip that were never received by the person you are paying. I often pay out over 500k to a person at a time as their salary, and if we aren't online at the same time, I use the vendor for them to offer a junk item which i buy to pay them.


Being taxed on this is horrid. Being taxed on items you buy for resale as a merchant is horrid.




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DingoBoi
Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:00 pm
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agreed. I pay my contractors via this as I trust the vendor moreso than I trust banktip if they are not online. Too many people have lost credits via /banktip that were never received by the person you are paying. I often pay out over 500k to a person at a time as their salary, and if we aren't online at the same time, I use the vendor for them to offer a junk item which i buy to pay them.


Being taxed on this is horrid. Being taxed on items you buy for resale as a merchant is horrid. I pay out about 3.5-4 Million in salaries a week this way. And this just makes my life as a merchant more difficult.




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Paweh
Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:10 pm
#5

I've brought this SAME ISSUE up before, and it's been totally ignored. Good luck getting any devs (or even the Correspondants) attention.



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Faolain_Nightshade
Sat Dec 20, 2003 8:56 am
#6

I really dont have any sympathy here. My shop grosses around 10 mil a week between myself and the handfull of other vendors in it which means, my shop pays for a greater majority of the civic structures in our city. This also means that it's keeping a steady flow of customers coming and going to my shop via the shuttle port - and allows my customers easy access to healing facilitys, a beautiful city to visit while patronizing my vendors and those of my partners.



I see no reason for this to be a bad thing.




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Jebwa
Sat Dec 20, 2003 1:36 pm
#7

There is no TAX for vendors.Talk to your **edit** mayor. YOUR MAYOR IS THE ONE TAXING YOU........I will say it again....IT IS YOUR MAYOR TAXING YOU......


I suggest you talk to your mayor about the tax to try to get him to not implement it or MOVE TO A DIFFERENT CITY that doesn't have a sales tax......




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Alacrity
Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:34 pm
#8

Either state in advance that tax is non-refundable, or work out a deal with your Mayor to get reimbursed. Why complain here about it?



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tathacuk9371
Sat Dec 20, 2003 5:51 pm
#9

I think it is a fact of life. My main mall isnt in a city but I am going to open one in a city soon. I think maybe merchents should get maybe a discount under the efficency tree.



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Mackle
Sun Dec 21, 2003 1:38 am
#10

The merchants in our city petitioned our mayor to remove the sales tax, and gave a lot of valid reasons why removing it would benefit the city as a whole. We were able to show him that removing it was a good move, and remove it he did.


Get together with your city's other merchants and approach your mayor with this.






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DocSavag
Sun Dec 21, 2003 7:23 am
#11






Mackle wrote:

The merchants in our city petitioned our mayor to remove the sales tax, and gave a lot of valid reasons why removing it would benefit the city as a whole. We were able to show him that removing it was a good move, and remove it he did.


Get together with your city's other merchants and approach your mayor with this.







Interesting, I am both a Merchant and a Mayor..what arguements did you have that would compensate the city for the lost revenue of Sales Tax? It is really the only way a city of size is going to close the gap between the taxes it levies against its own citizens via property and "income" tax and the cost of running the city.





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Jebwa
Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:24 pm
#12




It is really the only way a city of size is going to close the gap between the taxes it levies against its own citizens via property and "income" tax and the cost of running the city.


As a merchant I would rather pay the taxes myself instead of hurting my customers with a tax. Customers are what drives the game. I figure the better my prices the more customers I will get, meaning more people using the shuttle(shuttle fee goes to city hall), more people visiting other shops around area (more business to friends and neighbors), more people checking out the town (using cantina, clone center, and hospital).


More people hanging out around your town draws in more visitors because people want to be where they think the action is. More business for you if another town has sales taxes and your town doesn't; the customer doesn't care if that extra cost is for taxes or not, they just want the lowest price.




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progman63
Sun Dec 21, 2003 9:45 pm
#13

I think the issue that most people are complaining about is the fact that Offer Sale also charges a sales tax.


Yeah, taxes suck, but a sales tax spreads the burden over many more people than just the declared residents of the town and so is easier to bear.


If you can take 1% or 2% from hundreds of sales a week or a month, that's alot better than a 10% property tax on only 20 residents.



I think they should fix vendors so only Sales are taxed and not Offers.


Cause if you think about it - that's double taxation.









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