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Thread: New on live today Unused vendor questions answered

lisasdarren
Tue Sep 21, 2004 5:22 am
#1

Vendors

  • Empty Vendors - A vendor is considered empty if it has no items for sale. Empty vendors may not be registered on the planetary map. If a registered vendor becomes empty, he will be removed from the planetary map. If a vendor remains empty for 14 days, the owner will be sent an email warning that the vendor will soon be deleted. If that vendor remains empty for an additional 14 days, the vendor will be deleted. Any items in the vendor's Stock Room and any items offered to that vendor will be deleted with the vendor.
  • Unused Vendors - Vendors who go too long without being used will get deleted from the game. The only events that constitute use are placing a new item for sale on the vendor, or a customer buying an item from the vendor. Checking a vendor's status, paying maintenance, withdrawing sales, having offers placed, or accepting offers are all events that do not reset the Last Used timer. If a vendor goes 14 days without having a new item placed for sale, or an item purchased, then the vendor gets flagged as Unused. If a vendor remains Unused for a 14 days, it becomes in danger of getting deleted. When this happens, the player will be sent an email warning. If the vendor continues to be unused for an additional 14 days, the vendor gets deleted. Any items for sale on the vendor, items in the Stock Room, and offers to that vendor will be deleted with the vendor.
  • Fixed some cases where the number of vendors was being set incorrectly on players.

  • It reads to me that you have 6 weeks of unuse before your vendor gets deleted, a lot better than the previously believed 2 weeks







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    Harric
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 6:36 am
    #2

    but, it is and stays a very unneeded and stupid 'feature'


    should never get deleted when payed maintain and stocked it plus got skills to operate them.


    PS: only setting things on sale and sales reset the timer is the next silly rule.


    customers checking not resetting it /shrug



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    McSassy
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:16 am
    #3


    Since we haven't yet had 6 weeks since the change, I'm not sure this is workingas they've stated.I'm readingposts about full vendors being deleted already.


    /agree though - 6 weeks is better! But I still think the original stage should be more than 2 weeks - even 2.5 weeks would be more reasonable since many vacations/etc. last 2 weeks.





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    Fhtagn
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:13 am
    #4

    umm... maybe I'm counting wrong...


    14 days til the warning, then 14 more days til it's nuked -- that's 4 weeks. where does the other 2 weeks come in?





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    Mkappus
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:29 am
    #5

    14 days for flag

    14 days after flag you get email warning

    14 days after warning it gets deleted

    Total 6 weeks


    It seems to me they are doing this to get rid of storage vendors. The silly thing I don't get is that an item will expire in 4 weeks and if you re-list it, doesn't that count as a new sale? As long as you don't let things sit in stockroom for 2 weeks+ a vendor will never go away. If it is truly 6 weeks of inactivity, I think this is fine, and it should not have a negative impact on players.



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    lisasdarren
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:31 am
    #6






    Fhtagn wrote:

    umm... maybe I'm counting wrong...


    14 days til the warning, then 14 more days til it's nuked -- that's 4 weeks. where does the other 2 weeks come in?





    You missed the initial 14 days -


    • If a vendor goes 14 days without having a new item placed for sale, or an item purchased, then the vendor gets flagged as Unused.

    • If a vendor remains Unused for a 14 days, it becomes in danger of getting deleted. When this happens, the player will be sent an email warning.

    • If the vendor continues to be unused for an additional 14 days, the vendor gets deleted.

    So its 14 days then marked, 14 days of being marked then warning and finally 14 more days then deletion.





    Trax Treort - Rifleman, Fencer & Imperial Pilot
    lisasdarren
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:36 am
    #7






    Mkappus wrote:


    It seems to me they are doing this to get rid of storage vendors. The silly thing I don't get is that an item will expire in 4 weeks and if you re-list it, doesn't that count as a new sale? As long as you don't let things sit in stockroom for 2 weeks+ a vendor will never go away. If it is truly 6 weeks of inactivity, I think this is fine, and it should not have a negative impact on players.





    Is re-listing an item a 'new' sale?Maybe you actually have to be adding new stock for it to count, thus storage vendors where nothing new is added will be affected.


    Alternatively this could be seen as a method of getting abandoned vendors out of the game in 6 weeks instead of the 10 it would take waiting for them to become empty and be deleted.






    Trax Treort - Rifleman, Fencer & Imperial Pilot
    Domandred
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:41 am
    #8






    McSassy wrote:


    Since we haven't yet had 6 weeks since the change, I'm not sure this is workingas they've stated.I'm readingposts about full vendors being deleted already.







    I've seen vendors disappear all over the place. One of my favorite player malls is now nearly empty. There is 1/4 of the vendors there used to be. One of the other shops I used to go to that was run by one guy is almost gone as well. Last I looked he had one vendor left.


    I think what we are seeing is people that surrendered their merchant skills are losing their vendors. These guys should not have had them in the first place and probably only had the final 14 days to get the vendors cleared out before deletion.




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    DocSavag
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:48 am
    #9

    I'm not sure but this might be a change to the way the code worked prior to today's patch and not just a clarificaion of how it has worked all along. I know that I asked TH to review this feature and he promised to bring it up internally..this might be their answer. I don't know for sure. I"m confirming that they really do mean to say 42 days instead of 14 and I'll see if I can clarify this as new code or an explanation of existing code.



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    RynnnDraggon
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:54 am
    #10

    Ok everyone better start Re-reading the login screen.....

    This is how it Goes...

    IF your vendour is UNused after 14 days....you get a "supposed" Warning that your vendour is in danger of being deleted....

    IF NO one Buys from your vendour in the next 14 days...Your vendour and all it's contents on stock or in storage go...POOF.

    The Devs have absolutely No Sympythy for Anyone that Masters Merchant as there is no grinding...ok here you go...the Devs way of thinking...


    Dev # 1). "Let's Increase the amount of items that these suckers can have on their vendours...."


    Dev #2). "Yes, and let's give them MORE Vendours to store stuff on...say 12 max!!! and 4000 tem limit..."


    Dev #3). "And than when they think they are getting a GREAT Deal, we will make a Time limit..."


    Dev #4). " Yes we will Tell them they have 14 days for this and 14 days for that..."


    Dev #5). "And than since we don't really care about them though they pay for us to live..."


    Dev #6). "We will laugh at them and listen to them moan and groan because we Deleted ALL of their stuff they worked so hard for..."


    Dev #7). "Isn't it great that we have the Power to control them like Puppets..."


    All the Devs together... "ROFLOL" As they /hi5 each other we continue to complain....

    I say we submit all of our complaints on the Devs Forums. > /evilgrin Spam the hell out of them.


    Looks like my alt is dropping Master merchant extremely soon.


    Oh and about the warnings....My husbands Vendour was deleted WITH maintance on it and he got NO warning in an email at all, Nor a reimbursment for the thousands of credits he left on there and that was before this new NERF....so that not only makes the devs Jerks...but Liars as well....



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    Yogol
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:03 am
    #11






    RynnnDraggon wrote:

    Ok everyone better start Re-reading the login screen.....

    This is how it Goes...

    IF your vendour is UNused after 14 days....you get a "supposed" Warning that your vendour is in danger of being deleted....

    IF NO one Buys from your vendour in the next 14 days...Your vendour and all it's contents on stock or in storage go...POOF.

    The Devs have absolutely No Sympythy for Anyone that Masters Merchant as there is no grinding...ok here you go...the Devs way of thinking...


    Dev # 1). "Let's Increase the amount of items that these suckers can have on their vendours...."


    Dev #2). "Yes, and let's give them MORE Vendours to store stuff on...say 12 max!!! and 4000 tem limit..."


    Dev #3). "And than when they think they are getting a GREAT Deal, we will make a Time limit..."


    Dev #4). " Yes we will Tell them they have 14 days for this and 14 days for that..."


    Dev #5). "And than since we don't really care about them though they pay for us to live..."


    Dev #6). "We will laugh at them and listen to them moan and groan because we Deleted ALL of their stuff they worked so hard for..."


    Dev #7). "Isn't it great that we have the Power to control them like Puppets..."


    All the Devs together... "ROFLOL" As they /hi5 each other we continue to complain....

    I say we submit all of our complaints on the Devs Forums. > /evilgrin Spam the hell out of them.


    Looks like my alt is dropping Master merchant extremely soon.


    Oh and about the warnings....My husbands Vendour was deleted WITH maintance on it and he got NO warning in an email at all, Nor a reimbursment for the thousands of credits he left on there and that was before this new NERF....so that not only makes the devs Jerks...but Liars as well....





    You need a life :-)


    Anyway : this feature is obviously meant to delete all remaining vendors from persons who have no skills. They can never put a new item on sale, so they'll get deleted.


    And if your vendor doesn't sell anything in 6 weeks, well, then you don't need the vendor, do you ?





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    RynnnDraggon
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:02 am
    #12






    Yogol wrote:





    RynnnDraggon wrote:

    Ok everyone better start Re-reading the login screen.....

    This is how it Goes...

    IF your vendour is UNused after 14 days....you get a "supposed" Warning that your vendour is in danger of being deleted....

    IF NO one Buys from your vendour in the next 14 days...Your vendour and all it's contents on stock or in storage go...POOF.

    The Devs have absolutely No Sympythy for Anyone that Masters Merchant as there is no grinding...ok here you go...the Devs way of thinking...


    Dev # 1). "Let's Increase the amount of items that these suckers can have on their vendours...."


    Dev #2). "Yes, and let's give them MORE Vendours to store stuff on...say 12 max!!! and 4000 tem limit..."


    Dev #3). "And than when they think they are getting a GREAT Deal, we will make a Time limit..."


    Dev #4). " Yes we will Tell them they have 14 days for this and 14 days for that..."


    Dev #5). "And than since we don't really care about them though they pay for us to live..."


    Dev #6). "We will laugh at them and listen to them moan and groan because we Deleted ALL of their stuff they worked so hard for..."


    Dev #7). "Isn't it great that we have the Power to control them like Puppets..."


    All the Devs together... "ROFLOL" As they /hi5 each other we continue to complain....

    I say we submit all of our complaints on the Devs Forums. > /evilgrin Spam the hell out of them.


    Looks like my alt is dropping Master merchant extremely soon.


    Oh and about the warnings....My husbands Vendour was deleted WITH maintance on it and he got NO warning in an email at all, Nor a reimbursment for the thousands of credits he left on there and that was before this new NERF....so that not only makes the devs Jerks...but Liars as well....





    You need a life :-)


    Anyway : this feature is obviously meant to delete all remaining vendors from persons who have no skills. They can never put a new item on sale, so they'll get deleted.


    And if your vendor doesn't sell anything in 6 weeks, well, then you don't need the vendor, do you ?













    Well than so do YOU.


    My Husband and I have been playing since the Game came out. It just kills me that People like you come on and Flame others that have Just as much Right to Voice OUR opinons as you do. We Pay Our Hard earned money just like everyone else for something that We Used to enjoy. No one has any buisness Flaming us because we have worked our tails off getting where we are, for the devs to turn around and say 'screw you, we have the power.'


    It's people like you Yogol that ruin the game for others and put in your 'opinons' and flame others for theirs, just to make yourself look so much more important.


    And for you to claim that it's meant for those that don't have the skill you need to re-read it.


    My Vendours sell just fine...I can garentee that you will be pitching a hissy-fit little girl if something happens to someone you love in real life and you can't play and no one clicks your vendour and it all goes poof...Hmmmm ever think of that????


    My husband had the skills for his vendour and they destroyed it with out any warning.




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    UNLESS, They bring me MORE Coloured Crystals."
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    LadyGrey
    Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:07 am
    #13

    I believe that relisting an item does not constitute a new sale. You must retrieve the item from the storeroom, and then list it for sale, to have it be considered a new sale.


    And Yogol, I think your sarcastic reply is not an enhancement to this topic. If someone puts up a vendor to see if it will work in a particular area, it is a legitimate way of seeing if there is a market at that particular spot. It may take 3 or 4 months of maintaining that vendor, before you can say if it is going to work at that spot. It is called "marketing research" and is an important part of any business endeavor. Most RL businesses need anywhere from 1 to 4 years of operating capital, before they start seeing a profit. Some merchants just had the good luck to put a vendor in exactly the right place to get a lot of traffic and sales. Some of us have had a vendor in the same place for a year, with virtually no traffic or sales. I have made all of my money selling items on the bazaar, to support my beautiful little shop and vendors. Diversification has saved many a business from total failure.


    Don't make assumptions based on the way you play the game, that just makes you no better than the devs are. 8-)



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