Merchant Archive
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Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:54 pm
#1
DocSavag wrote:
Bazalan wrote:
DocSavag wrote:
You are free to ban anyone you want for any reason. However, you selling your speeder at a cut rate price affects my business too. If you were undercutting me I'd buy them from you and reselll them. You could ban me..and all my guildmates, and anyeone else I decide to send in as an agent..or you could stop trying to undercut my business and price your speeders at a reasonable price. Its your choice.
You could try but you would not be successful. Eventually all your cash would be tied up in buying my speeders and I can simply make more every day with the cash you spent. Soon you would realize you really have no control over what someone else deems a reasonable profit. Prices will and do constantly change. You either move with the market or sink.
You're missing the point. I'm not controlling you. I'm selling your underpriced merchandise for a profit. I'm not hoarding them. I'm not trying to prevent you from changing the market, I'm profiting on the transaction. Why should I make the product when I can obtain it from you and make a profit on each sale?
You are right in that if I misunderstand the market I get stuck with product that my cash is tied up in and have to lower my prices to sell them. But if you have seriously miscalculated the price you should be charging for the produt I can sell them all day long for higher prices. Its not about punishing you anyway..its about me making my profit.
Correct. I (and doc) can't force Baz to earn a higher profit. Baz can't force us to earn a lower profit. I made my first fortune (that would be million credits
wow now I can afford a nice pistol by exploring and finding underpriced items and reselling them at a tidy profit. That is why my BIO lists me as an Import/Export buisness (well it goes well with the rest of the bio too . So please keep makeing and selling those cheap speeders so when I need to restock I don't have to wait -Indene-
Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:57 pm
#2
DingoBoi wrote:emptying a vendor is a merchant pvp tactic. It does work... you can continue to produce as many vehicles as you like, but nobody will be checking your vendors anymore if they are frequently empty...
Well actually if you have your own shop just change the advertisement regualrly. I add a date to the end of it so people know when I was last here and that way people are more likly to stop by even if the vendors were empty. As to the pvp tactic please buy out my stock. please please please. I need/want the money.
-Indene-
Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:03 pm
#3
ofim wrote:Doc wrote:
You're missing the point. I'm not controlling you. I'm selling your underpriced merchandise for a profit. I'm not hoarding them. I'm not trying to prevent you from changing the market, I'm profiting on the transaction. Why should I make the product when I can obtain it from you and make a profit on each sale?
You are right in that if I misunderstand the market I get stuck with product that my cash is tied up in and have to lower my prices to sell them. But if you have seriously miscalculated the price you should be charging for the produt I can sell them all day long for higher prices. Its not about punishing you anyway..its about me making my profit.Actualy that would be price fixing and monopolistic pratices, both will land you in prizon and without a business in real life (and very possibly a husband named bruno).walmart cant go buy kmarts stock out for a good reason, buying out your competitor is an atempt to create a monopoly by forcing others to "fall in line" with you price scheme. agreeing to a price with your competitor is price fixing.wating to be savagly beaten by Dingo and Doc
That is why I like the "Free Markets" of this world better than RL. No Mommy Government wielding big stick if we don't play "fair" by someones definition of fair. (someone can change from time to time just like Kings changed from time to time). What was that line from Mel Gibsons movie? "why should I change 1 tyrant 3000 miles away for 3000 tyrants 1 mile away" or something like that.
Buying out all my goods as a way to create a monopoly. ROTFL. Please Please buy my stuff at my prices and make yourself a monopoly. Please force me to "fall in line" with your price scheme. Hurry before I price fix again.
-Indene-
Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:15 pm
#4
BioTamer wrote:
Okay first:
1. I am NOT an undercutter... I am a NEW merchant that could not find the item I was selling on other vendors so I just charged 200% markup over cpu.
2. When I discovered what this guy was selling my item for, I raised my prices and... NOTHING sold for weeks, so I lowered my price back and lo and behold, I had customers.
3. I finally went on a ride all around the galaxy trying to find people selling my items and guess what? My pricing was exactly the same or in the same price area as everyone else who sold the same items except this one guy who had bought out my vendors and was selling them at over 1000% markup. Was he actually selling? I have no idea. My products were on his vendor that's all I saw.
4. I talked to this guy's friend and he told me that this guy had been deliberately buying out my vendor in order to kill my business as I was a competitor in the same geographical area. Merchant pvp.
5. So yeah, I banned him from my shop. No, I am not an undercutter/underseller. I want to make profit as much as the next guy. People who want to crush new merchants like myself by practicing this poaching, you can gloat over your delusions of grandeur and call your subcontractors "minions" if you want. I wonder how they feel about that if you called them that to their face? But it doesn't change a basic simple moral aspect that you are being a jerk by trying to ruin someone else's play experience.
NO I do not care about real world business models of hostile takeovers, buying out competition and whatnot. I just want to be a crafter and sell my goods to other players without other merchants griefing me.
I am done with this discussion. I have told you how I feel, that is all. You either get it or you don't. And as for the main topic of this thread. Well, I guess I am not a pure merchant since that involves griefing. Nuff' said.
I called them moles to their faces and they were ammused. RolePlay and all. How does that guy think that buying all your stock will kill your business. In SWG as in RL if I am making and selling a product and it all gets sold as fast as I can make it I either raise the price or invest in tools to make more product faster. buying my out is going to stimulate my business and get me all excited that I have customers. The minor posible empty vendor effect is countered by the fact that I have a steady customer with apparently big pockets and I could change the sign on the shop often enough to get other customers to come in. So please if you are ever on Kettemoor come to Riverbend Naboo (WP 0,0) and buy my stuff. Buy it all, you know you want it. Please lets do this merchant PvP. Sounds like fun. Shields Down, Lets look like an easy target.
-Indene-
Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:16 pm
#5
BioTamer wrote:
Oh and one more thing... You are all a bunch of Ferengis!
Why thank you. That is quite nice of you to notice.
-Indene- (Now where did I leave that stack of latinum I was counting)
Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:20 pm
#6
DingoBoi wrote:I side with biotamer here. It is a merchant pvp tactic, to continue to buy them out.. now sure, they can make credits... but all there former customers are now customers of someone else since they rarely if ever find stock on a vendor... an empty vendor is a vendor you don't come back to. After a period of time doing this the larger company can just stop buying the stock... and the smaller crafter/merchant is left with no customer base and will have to rebuild that customer base which takes time.Empty vendors are to be avoided as much as possible to preserve your customer base.But on that note, maybe you should move out of 'his' territory.
Change your sign with date of restock. People will know you are serious and still there and will not automaticlly remove your wp from their datapad. Meantime get rich of the "bigger guy".
-Indene-
Indene
Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:24 pm
#7
DocSavag wrote:
Cafa wrote:
Urgra wrote:Wow, the economy on Bria must really be different. I sell:Landspeeders = 13kSpeederbikes = 15kSwoops = 18kI have NEVER seen vehicles (accept for AV-21s, of course) over 20k!ChyannWhich is because you have MA's grinding speeders for experience, IMO. Ever notice how the grind products are put out at cost or below it?
Fivo Asia
Those prices are under 3 credits per unit in resources. Are resources really that cheap on your server?
Well I have 2-5 competetors in the mall and tents in my town. one even claims to be "world famous 2cpu" resource vendor. They mostly sell grind stuff at 2 cpu. I ignore them and stay at 3cpu. I just started selling thru vendors in mall so have no sales data but the 3cpu stuff sells in the bazaar as fast as i can get it up there. Most of the good stuff I sell in private trades.
-Indene-
Perelay
Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:03 am
#8
DocSavag wrote:
Cafa wrote:
Urgra wrote:
Wow, the economy on Bria must really be different. I sell:
Landspeeders = 13k
Speederbikes = 15k
Swoops = 18k
I have NEVER seen vehicles (accept for AV-21s, of course) over 20k!
Chyann
Which is because you have MA's grinding speeders for experience, IMO. Ever notice how the grind products are put out at cost or below it?
Fivo Asia
Those prices are under 3 credits per unit in resources. Are resources really that cheap on your server?
WOW! I sell mine for 4 cpu and I get customers. Swoops are still the biggest sellers though.
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Seleana
Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:05 am
#9
I've enjoyed all your comments on this one- many different ideas and opinions and I agree and disagree with most. How's that for taking the Kerry position! (Its a joke! No flames
With regards to the Ferengi comment- my chars name is Seleana Ferengi! Enough said on that one but that should tell you the role I choose to play here.
With regards to Merchant PvP- interesting concept. Never really occurred to me as I have well over 1000 items in my shoppe at any one time and restock it daily (now if you want to start a "Get a life Seleana" thread we can go there if you dare so I'm BEGGING you Merchant PvP'ers PLEASE come to my shop near Coronet on Radiant and attack attack attack. Bring your friends as you'll need help hauling all this underpriced stuff away! In fact if I am on /t me and I will help you haul all the stuff you buy over to your place.
so I'm BEGGING you Merchant PvP'ers PLEASE come to my shop near Coronet on Radiant and attack attack attack. Bring your friends as you'll need help hauling all this underpriced stuff away! In fact if I am on /t me and I will help you haul all the stuff you buy over to your place. Please please please try to use that tactic to put me out of business!
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Alepe
Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:48 pm
#10
I have really enjoyed all the opinions I have been reading on this forum. I would like to clarify a few things to one of my earlier posts. When I said that I purchase from crafters at wholesale, then I resale them at retail. I also said "just like in real life". I didn't say that with any ignorance. I am a business owner. I own three "mom and pop" stores in three market areas. My business model "in real life" is I purchase products which happen to be pickup truck accessories direct from the manufacturers, then I resell them to the public at retail pricing. That is how 90% of America works. That is the system the drives our economy. I believe that same system works in SWG the same way. To me, that is what I am good at, I enjoy doing it. I am also a master pistoleer, so I can enjoy fighting as well. I get owned in PvP, but I have a good time. I enjoy the challenge of generating wealth in game more so then I enjoy fighting. I believe this game is generally working as it was intended. I only need one account to get the entertainment value I am looking for.
My comment about people quite after getting bored and blame SOE. I stand by that, but let me clarify. People should get bored of this game eventually. That is human nature. It doesn't matter what game it is actually. At some point everyone will get bored. Some sooner then others. All I am saying is that when I get bored, I will not blame anyone else other then myself. I won't make myself feel better by saying "I quit because SOE sucks" I will quite becuase I am bored because that is human nature.
Keep the opinions coming. I love to hear both sides of issues.
P.S. Would someone come buy out all my vendors. I love making a profit. Don't worry, I will restock soon........
Cafa
Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:22 am
#11
I just don't get the "I'm bored" thing.
Personally I NEVER have enough time to do half the things in this game that I want to. I've established long-term goals for business in this game that have lasted over a year now and are still going strong.
Bored people usually need to look in the mirror in RL, and I can understand people needing to separate RL from the game, or taking breaks or whatever. But there's a ton of content in this game and I seriously doubt that many people come close to my participation level.
Having said that, the devs of this game really do make bad decisions in a vacuum, IMO. The latest 45 person per phase limit on the village crafting quest is a perfect example.
Fivo Asia
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