Merchant Archive

Thread: Lot Traders?

Wampatrainer
Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:43 am
#1

As this seems to be the most appropriate forum for this question....


I run a business on Chilastra (Power Company) that is about to expand. Do any of you other merchants (resource based ones that is) still utilize lot trading?


Do any of you that read this forum still utilize this.


Just trying to get a feel for how successful it is for you.


Thanks



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Khazid Durcour
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Master Doctor - Master Muscian
CFO of TCO
Chilastra

Alts: Ot'alyia (M. Artisan - M. Architect - M. Shipwright - Merchant), Thendios (M. CH - Pistoleer)
MorosNyx
Sun Jan 09, 2005 9:44 pm
#2

I use lot swaps quite often i have about 40 harversters on static lot swaps and run a resource company i pull what ever pops under the static harvs and usually sell it for 2cpu and i do a respectful amount of business



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Cafa
Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:28 am
#3

I can see utilizing lot trading to offset collection for high resource volume professions.


The unfortunate side of the equation is that, in my opinion, the developers haven't aclear experience and record having to actually deal with the economics of a game business surviving.


I've long postulated as to what their goals actually are with the Merchant, and other crafter professions in general. The complete lack of vision for the Merchant profession has developed a malaise that permeates our posts, our expectations and our ability to operate businesses within the scope of a poorly documented system.


The funny thing is that the lot trading problem only becomes a problem when people want to quash a competitor, IMO. It's not something that is done as a fix from a sense of fairness, as there is no fairness in this profession. It's not something that is done to correct a problem.


As for myself, my solution was to have a large number of accounts and directly control the lots that matter to me. I have 8 accounts and 9 same server toons, with 2 more coming within 2 weeks and eventually plans to have all the 8 primary accountsgain padawan mostly for the lots gained. Once there, I'll probably cull my accounts by whatever is excess. I estimate at least 2 accounts will be shut down, and possible a third one, too.


But "denying through silence" is a terrible corporate decision that SOE uses to keep us all in the dark. Six months ago I considered being able to put up with it. Recent "fixes" have again established a track record of the devs correcting symptoms while never addressing the problems.


Lot trades provide as viable an example as anything. Instead of developing a system ingame where we can RELIABLY rent lots (as merchants? imagine that), instead of providing ingame methodologies for contracts, instead of providing extra storage (even possibly fee-based), instead of doing anything whatsoever to assist crafters/merchants with 19 months of people committing fraud, stealing our ingame properties or providing a single iota ofproperties right standards we get squat. Anyone with an ounce of experience trying to operate a business in the game that grows beyond the limits of a single toon's sphere of control has zero support whatsoever from the developers or the CSR team overcoming the rampant fraud that occurs when we have to place our trust in another character. Hell, SOE won't even allow a juvenile to sign an NDA for their games, but they force us to accept oral agreements from the same juveniles as to the security of our ingame property.


Lot trades at least provide you the security that you have something the other party in the contract wants to keep secure. That's more than I canopenly state above the production team, the CSRs or anyone in management for this game. They ask us to become community members, to make this our hobby, to give it breadth and scope of life, but drop us like dead flies when it comes to addressing any of our concerns over security. This is why there are cross-server lot trades, folks.


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GanymedePharuu
Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:23 am
#4



Wampatrainer wrote:
As this seems to be the most appropriate forum for this question....
I run a business on Chilastra (Power Company) that is about to expand. Do any of you other merchants (resource based ones that is) still utilize lot trading?
Do any of you that read this forum still utilize this.
Just trying to get a feel for how successful it is for you.
Thanks





i run a large power company on Sunrunner. i have a thread about power companies about halfway down on the first page of this forum.
so far all my generators were run by myself and by employees who i paid to run generators for my company (mostly from my guild) but i've recently started dynamic lot trades with two servers. those are more difficult to manage than static obviously but in the power business it's neccessary to move generators around.
i'm looking to do a dynamic 20 lot trade with a third server if you're interested.

i don't think i could handle dynamic lot trades with more than 3 servers. but i'm looking to do a static 20 lot trade with another server (for another business i have).



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Wampatrainer
Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:51 pm
#5

Thanks for the reply Cafa. I too am not that pleased with the direction that the Merchant profession has gone, but have not had the same problem you do with renting of lots.


I've done it, and very successfully. Most recently I had eleven people renting out between 4 and 8 static lots to me. I wrote a macro that would pay them their rent each week (I paid about 5k/lot per day).


I shut that business down though, and really wanted to explore cross server trading as a way to offset the expense of rent.



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Khazid Durcour
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Master Doctor - Master Muscian
CFO of TCO
Chilastra

Alts: Ot'alyia (M. Artisan - M. Architect - M. Shipwright - Merchant), Thendios (M. CH - Pistoleer)
Wampatrainer
Mon Jan 10, 2005 7:53 pm
#6



Ganymede, my idea here is to do static trades. Feel free to look up the account I'm setting this up on chilastra.ot'alyia.


Now, my next question for you all. Which forum here is best for advertising said trades? I supposed I could spam the trade forums, but I dont' think that is productive. And it definitely doesn't really belong here. Looking for suggestions.


Thanks again,

Khaz

Message Edited by Wampatrainer on 01-10-2005 06:54 PM

Message Edited by Wampatrainer on 01-10-2005 06:54 PM



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Khazid Durcour
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Master Doctor - Master Muscian
CFO of TCO
Chilastra

Alts: Ot'alyia (M. Artisan - M. Architect - M. Shipwright - Merchant), Thendios (M. CH - Pistoleer)
GanymedePharuu
Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:22 am
#7

i'd try the trade forums.
but if you're running a power company, i'd suggest you try dynamic lots. static lots with generators aren't worth it since they can only harvest 2 or 3 types of resources, and sometimes there's no radioactive on a planet at all.



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Kohs V'sto
I wanted Smuggling for Christmas
but all i got was
<--- this stupid hat.

I am Jack's ignored profession.
Luke Skywalker is DEAD!
Wampatrainer
Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:35 pm
#8

I actually use 25 fusions on my own toons to handle the dynamic aspect of my business. My static lots will go for solar only to just supplement the final business model. I'm not trying to dominate the universe, just take a good slice of it.



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Khazid Durcour
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Master Doctor - Master Muscian
CFO of TCO
Chilastra

Alts: Ot'alyia (M. Artisan - M. Architect - M. Shipwright - Merchant), Thendios (M. CH - Pistoleer)
RamondChappell
Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:29 pm
#9

I currently have around 110 static lots traded between two accounts.

I've been running these traded lots for quite a while and, as of yet, I haven't had a problem with them. You have to just find a good guy on another server and enter a gentleman's agreement to notify the other if something is going to happen with the lots (send an email if one is leaving the game, etc). As I said, there have been no problems as of yet.
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