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Thread: Searching For a Few Merchant Vendor Answers
Which is why if you're going to drop the skills, you should just drop them, rather than posting to the Merchant forum asking for their blessing. That way nobody ever knows the difference and everyone's happier.
Balkstar wrote:
You will be hated by the Merchant community.
jadeew wrote:
DingoBoi wrote
Thunderheart did confirm this as an exploit.
please post the link.
TH is careful not to use the word exploit however his comments in the 19 Answers from 5/21/2004 were:
Merchant: Currently there is a lot of debate about the fact that there is no skill point check for managing vendors. Is it the intent of the development team that vendors operate normally even when owned by players who no longer have the Management skill required to place that vendor?
FONT face=Verdana size=2>It was never intended for players to be able to keep and manage vendors after surrendering the Management skill boxes used to acquire them. This is scheduled to be fixed in a future publish and we want to upgrade vendors also, but it’s a bit early to start talking about that.
DingoBoi wrote:
I truly believe the word exploit was used in a prior post. I'll have to search for it, but not tonight... off to the bar....
GarVa did in fact say it was"a bit of an exploit" or (something like that)and shouldn't be done in another post some time ago but I couldn't find it myself though I have quoted it before on this forum.
DingoBoi wrote:
possibly i was mistaken about the poster.. but a 'bit of an exploit' = EXPLOIT (but we aren't concerned about it enough because it's not combat)
Message Edited by DingoBoi on 05-28-2004 05:29 AM
And big deal if you guys hate me. I find it terribly funny that you all get so upset over something that doesn't directly hurt you. If anything, like I have said before, if a lot of people do it and the devs don't want it done, it will be fixed that much sooner. (part of the reason combat and crafting issues get fixed faster)
A nicer way to respond to the original poster would have just been to calmly give the facts -- that nothing bad happens, your vendors continue to work as normal as long as you pay maintence, etc -- and then to go on and say, but the devs are looking to fix it because it was not intended to work that way, so there is no telling how long this will last.
Thats it. Would have been simple and easy and polite and everyone could have said yeps.. thats true.. and been on their way. But no. The posters here had to get on their soap boxes and preach to the vendor-poachers-are-the-scum-of-the-earth-and-may-death-be-brought-unto-them church and insult the poster who flat out said he/she was going to be returning to master merchant as soon as possible. If anything, the original poster (and probably a lot of other people, including myself) might just decide to keep their vendors and drop merchant just to spite all of you insane people who cannot even post without going nuts over 'vendor poaching'. Like there aren't more important things in both the game and the world to be complaining about.
Now this isn't to say that all of the merchants that post here and are against vendor poaching are insane, I enjoy reading DocSavag's posts, and a few others, because even while they hold a differing opinion from mine, they can discuss things without it becoming a bash party.
Have a good evening
ohh.. and just my opinion... but 'bit of an exploit' if that was ever said, is not an exploit. From the post DocSavag pointed to it didn't even say that. It was just something that wasn't intended. And I am not suggesting everyone do it, but I do think the way some of the posters respond to it is 'just a bit' extreme.
DocSavag wrote:
DingoBoi wrote:
I truly believe the word exploit was used in a prior post. I'll have to search for it, but not tonight... off to the bar....
GarVa did in fact say it was"a bit of an exploit" or (something like that)and shouldn't be done in another post some time ago but I couldn't find it myself though I have quoted it before on this forum.
Lucky for us all, it's a stickied post for me:
Neopole2:
"when i drop merchant and business? just wondering cause i need skill points bad,
but i am down to all my stuff on 1 vendor, im afraid of droping business and all my stuff just poofing. "
GarVa:
"This is going to be fixed, so I do not recommend doing it, and just because its not something people are being banned for it is still exploiting the system. Since this post is describing an exploit of sorts it will be closed.
GarVa
SWG Community Relations Representative"
Found at link : http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=game_guides&message.id=130200
For those of you that continue to exploit and are proponent of this, read this over and over. Maybe it will stick in that empty space in your head sooner or later.
Message Edited by Balkstar on 05-28-2004 07:01 AM
DragonScout wrote:
Lol. You admitted it yourself Dingoboi, the merchant class is a utility/support profession. whoo hoo!! or at least that is how I read "support class" hehe. How else would you decribe a non-combat class? Entertainer, Medic, Tailor, Chef, Weaponsmith, Armoursmith, merchant. All support classes by definition. Games evolved around combat. These 'classes' were created to expand non-combat professions. Choke on that.
And big deal if you guys hate me. I find it terribly funny that you all get so upset over something that doesn't directly hurt you. Your stupidity amazes me. This does directly hurt me. Every poached sale from a poached vendor is a credit that should have been in my pocket or the pocket of a real merchants.If it didn't hurt me directly, I wouldn't be as angered by it.
If anything, like I have said before, if a lot of people do it and the devs don't want it done, it will be fixed that much sooner. (part of the reason combat and crafting issues get fixed faster) You truly have no concept
Like there aren't more important things in both the game and the world to be complaining about. For a merchant this is very important. Here we discuss the game. Do not denigrate our issues because it is not a 'world' issue. Try cnn.com if you want to discuss world issues.
ohh.. and just my opinion... but 'bit of an exploit' if that was ever said, is not an exploit. From the post DocSavag pointed to it didn't even say that. It was just something that wasn't intended. And I am not suggesting everyone do it, but I do think the way some of the posters respond to it is 'just a bit' extreme. People entering a lair to shoot critters while being 'safe' wasn't intended either (baz nitches). People shooting through walls wasn't intended either. But yet, amazing still, they are exploits. Don't be a moron.
DragonScout wrote:
Lol. You admitted it yourself Dingoboi, the merchant class is a utility/support profession. whoo hoo!! or at least that is how I read "support class" hehe.
Dingoboi may have admitted it, but I sure as hell am not. (Secretly hands Dingoboi more eggs for ammunition)
The fact is, Dragondork, is that there are far more people in professions dealing primarily in combat. SOE takes a look at them first and foremost, because the chorus of voices from them drown us out so badly.From what I'm gathering from Dingoboi's postis that other professions like Weaponsmiths, Armorsmiths, and Architects can also be construde as "support" to SOE when dealing hotfixes out to fix professions. There just aren't that many of them out there either when compared with combat porfessions.
And big deal if you guys hate me. I find it terribly funny that you all get so upset over something that doesn't directly hurt you. If anything, like I have said before, if a lot of people do it and the devs don't want it done, it will be fixed that much sooner. (part of the reason combat and crafting issues get fixed faster)
Now as for this crap about not hurting any Merchant directly. Would you like to be the one to conduct the poll of Merchants that feel that they have not lost business because exclusive tools for the Merchant class turned out not to be so exclusive after all due to a bug in the game and that every Tom, **edit**, and Harry crafter can use the same advertising engine as the rest of the merchant class for free? I think you are just trying to ignore facts and making up your own story as you go along to fit your skewed view of the world.
A nicer way to respond to the original poster would have just been to calmly give the facts -- that nothing bad happens, your vendors continue to work as normal as long as you pay maintence, etc -- and then to go on and say, but the devs are looking to fix it because it was not intended to work that way, so there is no telling how long this will last.
Thats it. Would have been simple and easy and polite and everyone could have said yeps.. thats true.. and been on their way. But no. The posters here had to get on their soap boxes and preach to the vendor-poachers-are-the-scum-of-the-earth-and-may-death-be-brought-unto-them church and insult the poster who flat out said he/she was going to be returning to master merchant as soon as possible. If anything, the original poster (and probably a lot of other people, including myself) might just decide to keep their vendors and drop merchant just to spite all of you insane people who cannot even post without going nuts over 'vendor poaching'. Like there aren't more important things in both the game and the world to be complaining about.
So in other words we should be kind and conciderate to every person that walks in with the opinion that my profession is worthless and they will try to utilize bugs in my profession to detroy it utterly? Everytime anyone jumps on this forum and asks that is virtually telling the Merchant community that. In these instances, a kind word is not warrented and person needs to know that behavior like that will not be tolerated by the real Merchant community, of which you are on the outside looking in.
Now this isn't to say that all of the merchants that post here and are against vendor poaching are insane, I enjoy reading DocSavag's posts, and a few others, because even while they hold a differing opinion from mine, they can discuss things without it becoming a bash party.
He has to be polotik, as he has the duty of managing this forum. If he is not, SOE will find someone "reasonable" to take his place. I do not envy his position, as he has to watch idiots like you trash this good profession, all the while not being able to add any emotion to his posts. Its a delicate balance that luckily I don't have to deal with here. I deal with enough of it at work.
Have a good evening
ohh.. and just my opinion... but 'bit of an exploit' if that was ever said, is not an exploit. From the post DocSavag pointed to it didn't even say that. It was just something that wasn't intended. And I am not suggesting everyone do it, but I do think the way some of the posters respond to it is 'just a bit' extreme.
Ah, the shades of grey arguement. A little robbery or burglery is not a crime. Anexations of countries with little significance are not construde of ascrimes. I'm sure that was what was going through Chaimberlain's head when he signed the Munich pact.
We are fighting for the return to significance of this profession backinto the SWG family. Fights like this deserve zealots, and I'm proud to be a fighting member.
First off, crafting professions are not utility/support professions because they can actually do things to influence the game by themselves. If merchant was to disappear today, the game would not end. Most people would probably not realize nor care. Those that would, mainly crafters who use it as a way to sell their goods, would get over it and find a new way that might be slightly less easy, but would still get the job done. If weaponsmith or architect or chef or tailor or whatever disappeared, a great deal of the players would be upset because it would directly influence their play. Merchant doesn't. At all. It is a utility profession that if used can make life easier, but isn't directly needed/required by anyone.
Merchants-against-poaching-complainers act like money in SWG is just theirs and theirs alone. If half of the people that used poached vendors lost them tomorrow, I seriously doubt they would bother with 'true' merchants to use vendors. they would buy an alt and have him stick one up. And to me, that is worse than someone vendor poaching because it just makes it very obvious how much of a waste of time this profession is (as it is now) if they need to make an alternate character just so they can put up vendors. That might work for sony -- more money for them -- but as a profession, that is pretty sad. And I still laugh every time one of you says it hurts you directly... I mean even if/when they fix it, the most people are going to get is business 3 and stop there, because there is no reason -- even if they limit the number of items or whatever -- to get merchant as it is now. So the claims of money being stolen from you are so full of faulty logic it is fairly sad.
Balkstar, and Dingoboi, you are both notorious for posting comments like "you really dont get it, you are truly stupid, you have no concept" and I am not the only one you direct them at. Do you really think that comments like those gain you any respect? or get your point across at all? If anything, 99% of the time you back such comments up with more flames and consider that your arguement. "You are stupid cause I say so and think differently, and that is why you are wrong!! so HAHAHAHAH!" lol. that is basically what your posts look like. Every now and then you will post something that seems halfway intelligent just to then smother it in flames. So very counter-productive. And yes, even if someone disagrees with you, you should treat them with respect. It goes a lot further than bashing them. and hey, who knows, you might even convince them to think your way. Get more bees with honey and all that. lol.
Also, DocSavag doesn't have to post politely. He probably has always done so, which is why he was accepted as a correspondent. There is just a difference of posting attitudes from what I can see. He posts with calm and rational ideas and responses, others just post flames in the place of intelligent conversation/discussion. One gets you somewhere, the other doesn't.
This isn't an important issue. The Devs have said they are going to change it. What else do you want? it to happen tomorrow? Frankly it is a low priority issue, that 'obviously' -- from the lack of immediate attention -- doesn't hurt the overall game too much.
And as far as exploits go, it doesn't hurt the game, it doesn't flood the game with extra credits, and it doesn't hurt other players, so big deal. Again, not saying everyone should do it, but compared to other exploits, it is fairly small-time.
Ever gone over the speed limit while driving balkstar? Ever cussed while you were in florida? ever spit on the sidewalk? (thats a weird one, but it is in the books in some states) ever done any number of stupid things that happen to be against the law? well, I will admit I have. And I will admit I have completely dropped merchant and still have a few vendors. Darn. I am an evil evil person. And you might try next time to use examples that fit just a little bit better. Vendor poaching is not on the same level, by any measure, as invading another country. LOL. Nor does it compare to buglary, or robbery. Maybe shoplifting -- but even there you can find 2 different levels of shoplifting. Keep trying
Balkstar wrote:
Ah, the shades of grey arguement. A little robbery or burglery is not a crime. Anexations of countries with little significance are not construde of ascrimes. I'm sure that was what was going through Chaimberlain's head when he signed the Munich pact.
Tell me, Balki... have you ever jaywalked?
Because if you have, it puts you on the same level as a serial rapist.