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Caliet
Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:35 am
#1
TomoRainer wrote:
/mutters something unprintable about chassis dumping
If you don't like it, buy them up and resell them. Save on materials and labor while keeping the galactic pawn shop from eating into your profits.
Mhatt-2
Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:04 am
#2
I am starting on the tier 3 missions as an imperial pilot. I know all the threads about it being tough and hard to solo. It obviously is tough to do it with friends, but I saw that someone had talked about a tie for at least a tier 2 to be able to fly that had a 40 k mass. I would be willing to pay a bit for such a ship and I think it would help me get through the tier 3 missions. If anyone has or can make such a ship I would be thirilled!
Thanks for any help anyone can give me!
Ghost-Raven
Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:23 am
#3
ok you got tier 3 ... advice get astros and progies working get WO3 EO 3 Cap 3 and shield shunt 3 ...get those and a fast droid you will solo just fine.
TomoRainer
Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:47 am
#5
The TIE/In is a tier 2 ship with 40K mass and pretty nice handling. The price'll depend on your server, of course, but you should be able to find one for anywhere between 60-150K.
Halyn
Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:49 am
#6
...or you can just surf the bazaar and wait for someone to dump one for 20k or less. Happens a lot on Starsider, not so sure about other servers.
Hell, on Starsider, I've seen A-wings (granted, low mass) for 20k on the bazaar...
Halyn
Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:12 am
#8
Yeah, I know you shipwrights hate it, but as a 9x master pilot, I love it.
Saved a lot of creds. Keep in mind, though, that bazaar chasses are generally lower-quality than chasses that are privately sold for higher prices. That extra 3k mass can make a huge difference if you're sticking with a ship for a long time...or it might not, depending on how you load out your ship.
TomoRainer
Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:43 am
#9
They're definitely nice when you're just grinding through a squad, but the problem comes when people get used to paying 0.5-1 cpu for chassis. Then they see my nice mass chassis selling at 3-4 cpu, which when you're buying your own resources is often the slimmest of profit margins (try finding good steel or ore for less than 3-4 cpu itself), and start insulting me for gouging.. gets to the point where it's not worth the hassle of finding bargains on resources just so I can hear complaints about my outrageous prices.
This in turn leads to not stocking chassis at all, which is actually a disservice to pilots, as they often end up unable to find certain types of chassis, let alone ones that reach even "standard" mass. Furthermore, the undercutters are usually very inconsistent and short-lived, so one moment I'll feel like a jerk charging 240K for an Interceptor when there's two dozen across the street for 100K, and the next you can't find one in the entire galaxy. It's just a big huge mess.
Hmm.
/signs self up for shipwright therapy
This in turn leads to not stocking chassis at all, which is actually a disservice to pilots, as they often end up unable to find certain types of chassis, let alone ones that reach even "standard" mass. Furthermore, the undercutters are usually very inconsistent and short-lived, so one moment I'll feel like a jerk charging 240K for an Interceptor when there's two dozen across the street for 100K, and the next you can't find one in the entire galaxy. It's just a big huge mess.
Hmm.
/signs self up for shipwright therapy
TomoRainer
Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:19 pm
#10
I honestly don't have a problem with people selling chassis for cheap (though I still think it's crazy to sell them for less than you could sell the resources). Plenty of people play this game for reasons other than money, and if they're having fun providing pilots with cheap but good products, awesome. I'm mostly component-based, anyway, so it's not like they're hurting my profits or anything. Resources and all that matter on components, and it's a rare day when someone's willing to put the money and effort into creating top-notch products and then turn around to sell them at a drastically low price.
The one thing that does bother me is that the chassis undercutters/lowballers/pilots' best friends/saints/whatever-you-want-to-label-them rarely last as individuals. Their impact on the market, however, persists. Long after the millionaire with nothing better to do who was selling Rihks for 120K has quit or moved along to something more interesting, the notion that Rihks should always cost 120K is still alive and kicking. I try to point people to the cheap chassis sellers on the regular occasions they come to me (unless they want certain quality and they want it now, in which case I can handle it), but the attrition rate is so high all I can do these days is tell em to check the galactic vendor search and talk to me as a last resort, because if I build them a chassis, it's going to be at the outrageous price of 4 cpu.
Really, the best way for a high-end shipwright to deal with the chassis market, I think, is to go the same way the best architects do: realize you're going to have to charge a low rate and thus can't afford the best materials, but don't be afraid to charge a premium over everyone else for a well-stocked shop with quality stuff.
These days, when I build chassis, I drop them on my vendor at 4 cpu and tell people to look somewhere else, but they're here if they need them. Only problem is, I don't really ever feel like building chassis. Judging from their stocking practices, most high-end shipwrights on my server feel the same way, which means when a pilot hits his next chassis box and is on the market for an Advanced or an A-Wing, he may well be out of luck.
The one thing that does bother me is that the chassis undercutters/lowballers/pilots' best friends/saints/whatever-you-want-to-label-them rarely last as individuals. Their impact on the market, however, persists. Long after the millionaire with nothing better to do who was selling Rihks for 120K has quit or moved along to something more interesting, the notion that Rihks should always cost 120K is still alive and kicking. I try to point people to the cheap chassis sellers on the regular occasions they come to me (unless they want certain quality and they want it now, in which case I can handle it), but the attrition rate is so high all I can do these days is tell em to check the galactic vendor search and talk to me as a last resort, because if I build them a chassis, it's going to be at the outrageous price of 4 cpu.
Really, the best way for a high-end shipwright to deal with the chassis market, I think, is to go the same way the best architects do: realize you're going to have to charge a low rate and thus can't afford the best materials, but don't be afraid to charge a premium over everyone else for a well-stocked shop with quality stuff.
These days, when I build chassis, I drop them on my vendor at 4 cpu and tell people to look somewhere else, but they're here if they need them. Only problem is, I don't really ever feel like building chassis. Judging from their stocking practices, most high-end shipwrights on my server feel the same way, which means when a pilot hits his next chassis box and is on the market for an Advanced or an A-Wing, he may well be out of luck.
Mhatt-2
Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:10 pm
#12
prosgies? any suggestions on where i could get a good astromech?
TomoRainer
Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:30 pm
#13
You're going to want a flight computer for a TIE, they can't run astromechs. (Won't be any difference in effectiveness, they're just less cool.) Any well-stocked DE should have a bunch.
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