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Thread: spamming somone with those fake missles, abuse/harrasement?

Ducimus
Wed Jan 12, 2005 11:34 pm
#1

I ran into an intresting thing tonight, and well, i gotta admit, the guy who did it pissed me off.

Apparently theres this old command (which ive now edited out) still ingame. I havent been able to get it to work myself, but what it supposivly does is luanch a purple missle that does no damage. I read about it on old post on the forums but really didn't think it still be in game.

Well, i ran into one particualar jerk tonight that made it his lifes goal to follow me around for about 5 mins or so and spam me with these missles. But it wasnt just a missle here or there, it was like he had it on his function keys and was mashing the button down as fast as he could press it.

The amount of missles that were coming at me were so numberous, that by the very impact, my screen was completely white for a very long time. My ship shook to the point where i could not maneuver against anything with any accuracy, let alone see what i was trying to shoot at because i was in effect, blind. There was no delay in the missle hits, and i know for a fact a B wing (what this guy was flying) cannot hold no where near the amount of missles he shot. So it must have been that command which lets you shoot these fake missles.

This particular fellow seemed to think this is part of the game. I do not, i think its abuse. What do you think? More importantly what does sony think? I think this is a bug that needs to be fixed next publish. I also think i should have reported him for harrasment like i really wanted to. But, that wouldnt really solve anything. Removing/fixing this abusive command however, might solve something.

Message Edited by Ducimus on 01-13-2005 07:42 AM



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XComCaptain
Thu Jan 13, 2005 12:09 am
#2



I would say that qualifies asharassment. The **edited** command only works if you have a missle tube loaded on your ship and you have someone targeted. Basically it serves no real purpose. Looking at both sides ofa possible argument I could see it currently as a tactical option. As you described you were "blinded" by the frequency in which he launched the missles. In a PvP situation this could disorient your opponent enough to allow you to either escape or drop in behind your "stunned" opponent and fire one up his six. By targeting yourself you would engulf yourself with such a brite aura that your enemy would not be able to get an accurate shot on your ship but the risk is that you blind yourself in the process. However returning to the orignal statement that this is indeed harassment due to the fact that it becomes so disruptive to the players game that you cannot properly fly the craft due to not being able to see. As the game does not incorporate any other means to "blind" or "disorient" your opponent you would be well with in your rights to /report this particular individual. Especially if you asked him repeatedly to cease his disruptive activities without compliance on his part. As sometimes the mods are slow to bring justice, if any, the best you can do is avoid the person if it occurs again by landing or hypering to a different sector or system depending on what mission parameters you are flying in. This is the best I can offer. I hope this individual grows up or that you won't have the pleasure of encountering him again.


Carry on

/salute

Message Edited by XComCaptain on 01-13-2005 08:25 PM



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KaylBreinhar
Thu Jan 13, 2005 2:58 am
#3

So that's how this is done...

That being said, PLEASE edit this out and let it die before we get CS griefer-size abuse of this?

I'm reporting this thread not because I don't like it, but simply because I don't want the kiddies finding it and deciding to bug everyone and their damn brother later. Because I guarantee, I'm not going to be the only one who says "so THAT'S how this is done."

The difference is I'm not going to do it. Others will, so your thread is self-defeating, destined to make the problem WORSE through awareness.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 01-13-2005 05:01 AM



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XComCaptain
Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:59 am
#4






KaylBreinhar wrote:
So that's how this is done...

That being said, PLEASE edit this out and let it die before we get CS griefer-size abuse of this?

I'm reporting this thread not because I don't like it, but simply because I don't want the kiddies finding it and deciding to bug everyone and their damn brother later. Because I guarantee, I'm not going to be the only one who says "so THAT'S how this is done."

The difference is I'm not going to do it. Others will, so your thread is self-defeating, destined to make the problem WORSE through awareness.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 01-13-2005 05:01 AM



Your absolutly right. However this is not a big secret. I would like to say that if a dev or mod were to look at this thread for deletion that they highly consider removeing that command from the available player command list. As it serves no real purpose to a player other than for sheer negative impact it can have on others, this request should be looked into with the utmost care. If the devs find some need to leave the command in then perhaps putting a timer of somesort to prevent such occurances from repeating themselfes. I'm glad that we have been able to keep this thread civil in our responses and dialogue.




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"Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?" -Obi Wan Kenobi
"What makes a man turn neutral ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?" - Zap Brannigan
"I hate these filthy neutrals Kif! With enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals? Who knows! It sickens me." - Zap Brannigan
StealthTiger234
Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:17 am
#5

It sounds like some kind of left over debug command. Like something to test if missiles fired properly but usually all debug commands are removed. It might also be a malfuntioning command. It should launch a real missile but instead it fires a dummy missle. Either way it needs removed.

P.S. I think instead of deleteing this thread the mods just delete or edit the post that has the detailed info in it. People have a right to know its abuse but not how to cause abuse.



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obiwan137
Thu Jan 13, 2005 7:24 am
#6

I know that some people overuse this but I love this command. Ever stopped in the middle of nowhere and targeted yourself then just spammed missles at yourself? Best thing I've ever seen, they don't hit you just make a huge web. But yeah maybe make it so that you can only fire on yourself fast like that, on other npc ships fast (like to see them speaking but not attacking ), and on other people slow.



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Ducimus
Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:45 am
#7


KaylBreinhar wrote:
So that's how this is done...

That being said, PLEASE edit this out and let it die before we get CS griefer-size abuse of this?

I'm reporting this thread not because I don't like it, but simply because I don't want the kiddies finding it and deciding to bug everyone and their damn brother later. Because I guarantee, I'm not going to be the only one who says "so THAT'S how this is done."

The difference is I'm not going to do it. Others will, so your thread is self-defeating, destined to make the problem WORSE through awareness.

Message Edited by KaylBreinhar on 01-13-2005 05:01 AM





Your absolutley right, and ive edited out the command. I posted this late last night, half buzzed on captain morgan, and half ticked off, and didnt quite think things all the way through.

EDIT
BTW, thanks for reporting it. I WANT the devs to know.
Heck, if anyone else wants to report this thread, by my guest.

Message Edited by Ducimus on 01-13-2005 07:53 AM



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Time wasted playing MMO's:
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"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession
Vicotnik
Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:52 am
#8






obiwan137 wrote:
I know that some people overuse this but I love this command. Ever stopped in the middle of nowhere and targeted yourself then just spammed missles at yourself? Best thing I've ever seen, they don't hit you just make a huge web. But yeah maybe make it so that you can only fire on yourself fast like that, on other npc ships fast (like to see them speaking but not attacking ), and on other people slow.




Call me crazy, but isn't any use of a bugged/debug commandtechnically overuse?


I mean... It's not like this is a feature that we are supposed to be using to enhance our gameplay. It's something that shouldn't even be there at all. So how can any use of it be acceptable?





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obiwan137
Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:23 pm
#9



Vicotnik wrote:


obiwan137 wrote:
I know that some people overuse this but I love this command. Ever stopped in the middle of nowhere and targeted yourself then just spammed missles at yourself? Best thing I've ever seen, they don't hit you just make a huge web. But yeah maybe make it so that you can only fire on yourself fast like that, on other npc ships fast (like to see them speaking but not attacking ), and on other people slow.

Call me crazy, but isn't any use of a bugged/debug command technically overuse?

I mean... It's not like this is a feature that we are supposed to be using to enhance our gameplay. It's something that shouldn't even be there at all. So how can any use of it be acceptable?




Well I love the little web effect. Me and my friends use the command just to entertain ourselves sometimes. I guess I'm comming from a different angle. I never shoot more than 2 at other people and only do that rarely. Don't know I just like the command heh.



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Duskrider
Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:37 pm
#10

Ducimus, you're n Bria, right... the jerk's name wasn't Pancakes was it? he does that all the dang time at my favorite spawn point to try to make people lag out and/or just leave.
Ducimus
Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:45 pm
#11

Nope not pancakes. havent seen that guy yet.

I wrote the offenders name down on my *hit list that i keep in my ingame notepad so i woudlnt have to remember it by memory. But i know for a fact it wasn't pancakes. I do remember he was in the "Freedom Respect Courage" PA though. Personnaly i found it all too disrespectful and abusing the game like this is anything but couragous.



Major Rapax Victis - Commando
Time wasted playing MMO's:
Meridian59, Ultima Online, Everquest, Asheron's Call 1 & 2, Dark Age of Camelot, Anarchy Online, Earth & Beyond, Eve Online, Planetside, Star Wars Galaxies

"I'm really bored."
...has mastered the Pilot profession
MadcowwithSARS
Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:53 pm
#12

The only time i use this particular command, is when some idgit is flying around shooting at my mission ships. He obviously isnt paying attention to the loud buzzing sound so the missle warning may get his attention. I figure 1 or 2 up the tailpipe never hurt nobody. Then you have people that launch 40 at you now that is annoying.



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BadgerSmaker
Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:46 am
#13

I use this sometimes... made a looping macro for it.


Only use it if someone thinks it's funny to fire at me though.


I'd say that this was indeed griefing... it's annoying even when your mates spam you with it, let alone some griefer.


If you /tar self and do it then you get a nice light show that is only visable from your client, if you target yourself from the group menu you will be hitting your ship and everyone can see it.


Bit of inflight entertainment for your friends when flying to waypoints.



1101000001100110111110111110010010010010
0100010101011011110110101001100100110110
1010101000011110100100001000001000100101
0011001100001100110111010101010011010000
0111100000010111111101110100101101000011
0110101101111001011110111101001000101011
0010100110100000010111010001101110011000
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"BAD NPC SPAWNER IS HERE!, NO ENTRY IN NPC SPAWNERS DATATABLE"
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