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Thread: Will the b-wing ever be a viable ship?
Sundown6 wrote:
truewildman wrote:
The more I hear about this "XWA", the more I'm glad I never played it. It sounds more like it's a shoot-em-up than a roleplaying game.
Oh, wait, it is. SWG/JTL is a role-playing game, no matter how you shake the box. The closer to canon it is, the better. From all the threads and reviews I've read about XWA, it didn't have to follow canon.
So, no, I disagree. Any ship in that game is not how it should handle if it's not canon. Even the description in the books say how unmaneuverable the ship is. Let is stay that way.
You want to fly a fighter? Fly a fighter. Save your Bwing for a squadron battle, so it can play its part appropriately.
XWA accomplishes the look, feel, and senseof Star Warsy combat much more effectively than JTL does. There's no two ways about that... especially since that was XWA's dedicated goal. JTL isn't any less of a shoot 'em up. It's just a more simplified shoot 'em up with loot and crafting involved (that then turns it into an 'RPG'.) But the basic gameplay mechanism remains entirely the same, with JTL having much less depth.
XWA upgraded with fan made graphics is pretty darned incredible. Don't knock it until you try it.
XWA is also many magnitudes closer to canon in overall feel, look,balance, ship loadouts and capabilities than JTL is. Available hardpoints and weapon types often match their movie counterparts closely (with fan made additions being that much more accurate). I would not use the "canon" card in hoping to compare JTL favorably to XWA. It has it's own strengths and own uniqueness, by but and large, closeness to Star Warsiness and closeness to on-screen representation is not oneJTL holds over XWA.
That being said, it's hard to gauge from verbal descriptions whether the B-Wing should be less more more maneuverable than the Y. I could go either way. XWA leaned toward making it somewhat more maneuverable. JTL less. Regardless of which way one goes, XWA's representation of Star Wars starfighter combat is not to be panned on that one difference alone.
If the B-Wing is intended to be slow, and does match canonity... then the real problem here is lack of content for the B-Wing. And then it falls to the developers to produce more missions that involve capital ship assaults and captures, where the B-Wing has a more pronounced role, and has such a rolein a greater number of missions.
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DavidHarper wrote:
The B-Wing was designed to replace the Y-Wing because the Y-Wing was being killed by both Capitol Ships and Fighters. The Y-Wing was just too darn slow and un-manouverable. The B-Wing was made to be able to hold its own against the newer Imperial Fighters as well as take on the bigger Imperial ships. It was NOT designed purely as a bomber!
Why would the Alliance go and make a ship which would fare worse against fighters when that was one of the Y-Wing bigest faults!!
Because it does this with Heavier armor and Shields and a Higher payload then the Y Wings thats how.
PS to all you people that are "B|tching" I have a friend that Flies the B-Wing in Kes all the time and can Solo the fighters for the most part. Its the skill of the pilot. Just Because you all cannot Pilot the ship doesnt mean its wrong. Not everyone can use a A-Wing right either. But just cuz you cannot handle it doesnt mean its wrong. Mean you need to spend more stick time. And thats all you really need Stick time and practice. You cannot just jump into a B-Wing and take on the whole Empire.
Delroh wrote:
DavidHarper wrote:
The B-Wing was designed to replace the Y-Wing because the Y-Wing was being killed by both Capitol Ships and Fighters. The Y-Wing was just too darn slow and un-manouverable. The B-Wing was made to be able to hold its own against the newer Imperial Fighters as well as take on the bigger Imperial ships. It was NOT designed purely as a bomber!
Why would the Alliance go and make a ship which would fare worse against fighters when that was one of the Y-Wing bigest faults!!
Because it does this with Heavier armor and Shields and a Higher payload then the Y Wings thats how.
PS to all you people that are "B|tching" I have a friend that Flies the B-Wing in Kes all the time and can Solo the fighters for the most part. Its the skill of the pilot. Just Because you all cannot Pilot the ship doesnt mean its wrong. Not everyone can use a A-Wing right either. But just cuz you cannot handle it doesnt mean its wrong. Mean you need to spend more stick time. And thats all you really need Stick time and practice. You cannot just jump into a B-Wing and take on the whole Empire.
How do you know people who b|tch here can't fly the B-Wing well? Being able to fly it doesn't meanthe Devs' have done itright. And FYI, the B-Wing is slightly faster than the Y-Wing even with heavier armor and shiedls and more payload.
Butterbean569 wrote:
Do you have any proof from a higher source of canon than the ILM internal charts that the B-Wing is faster than the Y-Wing? If so, I'd like to see it...but I'm pretty sure there isn't any.
I personally find the B-Wing pretty easy to pilot. My engine isn't even very good when it comes to turning rates. I think it might be because I use a gamepad without pressure-sensitive controls...so with the B-Wing I can lead my target by just coasting, while with the other ships I have to make many small adjustments.
Just about everywhere on the internet that talks about B-Wingand starfightersof Star Warssays thatthe B-Wing is fasterand moremaneuverable than the Y-Wing.The Y-Wing is onlyslightly faster inatmospheric flight.
ILM internal charts?I don'teven thinkthey should beconsidered as a resource of canon. Because, firstoff, I could not find any evidence of their existence - did a few searches in google and yahoo, and nothing came up; second,even if they do exist, can youactually provide any proof that thebehaviors of the starfighters in the movies were actually based on those charts?
Message Edited by Amuro0079 on 12-21-2004 01:43 PM