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Dinchamion wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
If I want to save 15 bucks a month I gotta become a Jedi, if I dont and still want a 2nd character I need to pay. This is a Jedi perk, one that should have been taken away when perma death was removed.And ruin my character, thanks.
As it is said above, you don't need to be a Jedi to get a second char, and you also don't have to pay plus fees, you just need to give 24 skillpoints for the unlock. But, it seems, you ar too stupid to understand what others are saying.
HyprHypo wrote:
Jedi is the alpha class, according to SOE. Yes some templates might suck but it's still the "alpha class" PS We all need money to be effective in PVP
Ah well, so some templates suck? Let me tell you, only 2 or 3 templates are those what could make Jedi an alpha class, and that's all. But right now, the best fighter template is MBH/MCM - best damage output (with the least money put into it), best healing capacity (a MCM can easily outheal a Jedi)... And you don't even need to spend millions to get a minimally effective weapon.
HyprHypo wrote:
I didnt say AFK grind, kash groups and dant spin groups will get ya thru Jedi pretty quick, I wouldnt even call it as hard as getting MBH back in the days.
You are just sooooo moron...You are trying to compete the BH as it was and the Jedi as it is? ROFL
Let me tell you: getting a MBH/MCM template takes maximum 1 week with no powergrinding. Compare this template to a Jedi.
HyprHypo wrote:
Full temps have nothing to fear, they lose XP when they are done grinding plus they are suppose to be 50% better than their attacker (of course depending on their skill and template)
I actually agree on this one, I hate when a full.templated Jedi runs away. They have nothign to lose, and it's just lame.
HyprHypo wrote:
think before I post? everything i said is true idiot, i think youve trolled here long enough. move along, you lose.
Well, it seems you don't know sh!t about what it means to be a Jedi, what it means to be the most nerfed and almost most uneffective profession by default... So I think yes, you should think and look around before posting.
Am I trolling? Well, that's at least not as bad as making assumptions from nothing, calling someone something they are not... I'd rather be a mature troll than an immature kid trying to ruin others.
hah, I cant believe you replied. Dude those 24 skill points makes me novice Jedi, turning my template into an underpowered piece of crap, so yes I GOTTA BECOME A JEDI, what dont you understand about that? And no im not trying to freaking compare old BH to new Jedi, im just saying that the grind was nerfed so much that it isnt that of a normal profession back in the day. And yes, Jedi was nerfed hardcore, they WERE 20 times better than everyone else and now they are 50% better. What world do you live in? One where the reply button will make sense and your retarded arguments? This is the real world, and you need to be educated and smart to actually have good arguments, not this nonsense coming out of your ass.
SunSpy wrote:
How funny. A BH posts somethinghumorous on his own profession board and gets jumped by a bunch of whining Jedi. Run out of wish lists and petitions on your own boards?
Hegot ganked!!! /mourn
Now get this jedi rant off of our boards!!!!
Message Edited by psyckos on 09-09-2005 12:37 PM
diepa wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
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Dinchamion wrote:
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HyprHypo wrote:
Let me get this straight, SOE forces us all to become the same profession to open a 2nd character. The same over powered profession everyone else is becoming. Sounds like I am being forced to play a certain way just to save some real life money, another Jedi perk that sucks for everyone else.
Let's see, so becoming the FOTM Jedi you can get the best invisibility since counter strike hacks, get a second character (saving you an extra $15 per month), become a master at escaping battle, not to mention winning battles and become the 1 recognized 1.5 alpha class and you get to be your own crafter with minor decay (i think just sabers) only draw back is a longer grind, nothing kash cant fix, and some pvp but who cares if u can go invis or use your 1.5 against the BH.
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Let me get this straight: SOE forces you sh!t. If you don't want to characters at once (and why you would, since you can freely drop and reget skills), you don't become a Jedi. Noone forces you to do this.
If you want a second character slot, and freely, then you can do the grind, surrender 24 skillpoints and thats all. You have the second character, you are not a Jedi (since you have no skillpoints in any Jedi skill). End of story. You don't get hunted, don't use Force, just lack the 24 skillpoints needed for the unlock.
Secondly, Jedi is not an alpha class practically. 1.5 multiplier goes only with certain templates, and if I don't want to be MDef (and I don't), I'm actually weaker than a fully templated fighter profession. Not mentioning that I need extreme luck or extreme money to be effective in PvP.
So, basically, you get nothing just a looooong and boring grind (yeah, Kash, whatever, another stupid generalizing, not every Jedi grind afk on Kash) and constant fear from anther player ruins a few days of work of yours.
You really better think before post, and more importantly see how things work.
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If I want to save 15 bucks a month I gotta become a Jedi, if I dont and still want a 2nd character I need to pay. This is a Jedi perk, one that should have been taken away when perma death was removed.And ruin my character, thanks.
Jedi is the alpha class, according to SOE. Yes some templates might suck but it's still the "alpha class" PS We all need money to be effective in PVP
I didnt say AFK grind, kash groups and dant spin groups will get ya thru Jedi pretty quick, I wouldnt even call it as hard as getting MBH back in the days.
Full temps have nothing to fear, they lose XP when they are done grinding plus they are suppose to be 50% better than their attacker (of course depending on their skill and template)
think before I post? everything i said is true idiot, i think youve trolled here long enough. move along, you lose.Message Edited by HyprHypo on 09-09-2005 03:14 AM
You really are a moron...24 skill points that can be used to build ranged speed, melee def, ranged def..sure they sound like they would ruin you BH template. Maybe you need someone to read the post to you...you do not have to be a jedi to get your free slot. You just have to spend a few weeks grinding xp for 24 FS boxes..boxes that will make your character better.
it looks decent in THEORY but compare the skills. youll be underpowered
diepa wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
diepa wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
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Dinchamion wrote:
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HyprHypo wrote:
Let me get this straight, SOE forces us all to become the same profession to open a 2nd character. The same over powered profession everyone else is becoming. Sounds like I am being forced to play a certain way just to save some real life money, another Jedi perk that sucks for everyone else.
Let's see, so becoming the FOTM Jedi you can get the best invisibility since counter strike hacks, get a second character (saving you an extra $15 per month), become a master at escaping battle, not to mention winning battles and become the 1 recognized 1.5 alpha class and you get to be your own crafter with minor decay (i think just sabers) only draw back is a longer grind, nothing kash cant fix, and some pvp but who cares if u can go invis or use your 1.5 against the BH.
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Let me get this straight: SOE forces you sh!t. If you don't want to characters at once (and why you would, since you can freely drop and reget skills), you don't become a Jedi. Noone forces you to do this.
If you want a second character slot, and freely, then you can do the grind, surrender 24 skillpoints and thats all. You have the second character, you are not a Jedi (since you have no skillpoints in any Jedi skill). End of story. You don't get hunted, don't use Force, just lack the 24 skillpoints needed for the unlock.
Secondly, Jedi is not an alpha class practically. 1.5 multiplier goes only with certain templates, and if I don't want to be MDef (and I don't), I'm actually weaker than a fully templated fighter profession. Not mentioning that I need extreme luck or extreme money to be effective in PvP.
So, basically, you get nothing just a looooong and boring grind (yeah, Kash, whatever, another stupid generalizing, not every Jedi grind afk on Kash) and constant fear from anther player ruins a few days of work of yours.
You really better think before post, and more importantly see how things work.
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If I want to save 15 bucks a month I gotta become a Jedi, if I dont and still want a 2nd character I need to pay. This is a Jedi perk, one that should have been taken away when perma death was removed.And ruin my character, thanks.
Jedi is the alpha class, according to SOE. Yes some templates might suck but it's still the "alpha class" PS We all need money to be effective in PVP
I didnt say AFK grind, kash groups and dant spin groups will get ya thru Jedi pretty quick, I wouldnt even call it as hard as getting MBH back in the days.
Full temps have nothing to fear, they lose XP when they are done grinding plus they are suppose to be 50% better than their attacker (of course depending on their skill and template)
think before I post? everything i said is true idiot, i think youve trolled here long enough. move along, you lose.Message Edited by HyprHypo on 09-09-2005 03:14 AM
You really are a moron...24 skill points that can be used to build ranged speed, melee def, ranged def..sure they sound like they would ruin you BH template. Maybe you need someone to read the post to you...you do not have to be a jedi to get your free slot. You just have to spend a few weeks grinding xp for 24 FS boxes..boxes that will make your character better.
it looks decent in THEORY but compare the skills. youll be underpowered
Listen, you cant b**ch about Jedi getting the extra slot, because you can get one.
You talk about the "real world", well your argument about the free slot is kind of like you saying its not fair how much lawyers make, but you dont want to waste 3 years in law school.
Anyone that has the extra slot has 24 sp "wasted" on FS skills, but if you want a "free" slot thats what you have to do. Jedi do not get anything that you could not get. So just stop whinning.
Yes I can get one but I would have to become a Jedi, I would have to waste my character to get it. I dont mind the grind, but i would lose my character forever if I did it. And, yes Jedi get what I cannot, an extra character because once I get that extra character, I become a Jedi. I may have more BH in me but Id still be a Jedi. Those FS points arent wasted on Jedi, it's a pre req, like how I have to get scout to be a BH, but if a BH fills in all those FS boxes he hurts himself more than helps. It's a perk that should have been removed or just given to all classes since Jedi are already 1.5. Too many perks for you guys, please read my fotm jedi post. How can you guys even be arguing with me? I dont think you realize what it takes to make an online game work. Obviously this one wouldnt be here if it wasn't star wars because of decisions like these.
LMAO
Underpowered? You talking about being underpowered? According to my character builder, with a Combat Prowess Master, and the Defense lines from the Reflexes tree, you can still be - for example - MBH/MCM, and have 13 skillpoints left. Or MBH/Master Carbineer, with 28 skillpoints left. And with this setup, you are perfectly able to unlock your second character, you don't have to invest anything into Jedi skills. As I said, yes, you would have a force bar, which is obviously the "sign of the Devil" for many of you, but if you can't stand that for a free extra character, well, don't do it. But don't cry around that Jedi got something you don't get.
Am I at the right place? I know my English isn't the best, but if you can't understand what I'm saying, you should learn to read.
Dinchamion wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
Let me get this straight, SOE forces us all to become the same profession to open a 2nd character. The same over powered profession everyone else is becoming. Sounds like I am being forced to play a certain way just to save some real life money, another Jedi perk that sucks for everyone else.
Let's see, so becoming the FOTM Jedi you can get the best invisibility since counter strike hacks, get a second character (saving you an extra $15 per month), become a master at escaping battle, not to mention winning battles and become the 1 recognized 1.5 alpha class and you get to be your own crafter with minor decay (i think just sabers) only draw back is a longer grind, nothing kash cant fix, and some pvp but who cares if u can go invis or use your 1.5 against the BH.
Let me get this straight: SOE forces you sh!t. If you don't want to characters at once (and why you would, since you can freely drop and reget skills), you don't become a Jedi. Noone forces you to do this.
If you want a second character slot, and freely, then you can do the grind, surrender 24 skillpoints and thats all. You have the second character, you are not a Jedi (since you have no skillpoints in any Jedi skill). End of story. You don't get hunted, don't use Force, just lack the 24 skillpoints needed for the unlock.
Secondly, Jedi is not an alpha class practically. 1.5 multiplier goes only with certain templates, and if I don't want to be MDef (and I don't), I'm actually weaker than a fully templated fighter profession. Not mentioning that I need extreme luck or extreme money to be effective in PvP.
So, basically, you get nothing just a looooong and boring grind (yeah, Kash, whatever, another stupid generalizing, not every Jedi grind afk on Kash) and constant fear from anther player ruins a few days of work of yours.
You really better think before post, and more importantly see how things work.
What a load of crap. I'm MLS-4204 Enhance-4000 Healer-0340 Def on my jedi and I can kick any non-jedi's butt 1v1. 50 and 1 against BH's since CU and the 1 I went LD in the middle of the fight. Don't give me the typical whiny jedi brat "I'm underpowered" bullcrap. It's a load. Learn the game newb. It's jedi like you that constantly come to the BH boards to cry that continue the animosity between the two professions. Go back to the jedi boards and shut your mouth cause you obviously don't know anything about the profession you're defending. For one, very few jedi are m.defenders now and those that are aren't invincible either. Give me your address so I can send you 20 bucks to go buy a clue.
Eskie wrote:
Jedi is not FOTM. BH is. Look at the last Astromech Stats. BH Masters as well as BH dabblers way ahead of any Jedi skill dabblers.
That is an inacurate assesment of those stats. For one the number one prof is Combat Prowess. In order for there to be an accurate assesment of who there are more of the devs would have to post Jedi Initiate as a profession. Why? Cause there are MLS-MDef-4000 Jedi, there are MLS-MEnhance-4004 Heal Jedi, there are any number of dabbler jedi templates that alter those stats to be an effective gauge of who's jedi vs who's bh.
Romulus76 wrote:
Dinchamion wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
Let me get this straight, SOE forces us all to become the same profession to open a 2nd character. The same over powered profession everyone else is becoming. Sounds like I am being forced to play a certain way just to save some real life money, another Jedi perk that sucks for everyone else.
Let's see, so becoming the FOTM Jedi you can get the best invisibility since counter strike hacks, get a second character (saving you an extra $15 per month), become a master at escaping battle, not to mention winning battles and become the 1 recognized 1.5 alpha class and you get to be your own crafter with minor decay (i think just sabers) only draw back is a longer grind, nothing kash cant fix, and some pvp but who cares if u can go invis or use your 1.5 against the BH.
Let me get this straight: SOE forces you sh!t. If you don't want to characters at once (and why you would, since you can freely drop and reget skills), you don't become a Jedi. Noone forces you to do this.
If you want a second character slot, and freely, then you can do the grind, surrender 24 skillpoints and thats all. You have the second character, you are not a Jedi (since you have no skillpoints in any Jedi skill). End of story. You don't get hunted, don't use Force, just lack the 24 skillpoints needed for the unlock.
Secondly, Jedi is not an alpha class practically. 1.5 multiplier goes only with certain templates, and if I don't want to be MDef (and I don't), I'm actually weaker than a fully templated fighter profession. Not mentioning that I need extreme luck or extreme money to be effective in PvP.
So, basically, you get nothing just a looooong and boring grind (yeah, Kash, whatever, another stupid generalizing, not every Jedi grind afk on Kash) and constant fear from anther player ruins a few days of work of yours.
You really better think before post, and more importantly see how things work.
What a load of crap. I'm MLS-4204 Enhance-4000 Healer-0340 Def on my jedi and I can kick any non-jedi's butt 1v1. 50 and 1 against BH's since CU and the 1 I went LD in the middle of the fight. Don't give me the typical whiny jedi brat "I'm underpowered" bullcrap. It's a load. Learn the game newb. It's jedi like you that constantly come to the BH boards to cry that continue the animosity between the two professions. Go back to the jedi boards and shut your mouth cause you obviously don't know anything about the profession you're defending. For one, very few jedi are m.defenders now and those that are aren't invincible either. Give me your address so I can send you 20 bucks to go buy a clue.
If you would read more carefully bro, I was suggesting something to stop the alltime flamefest between Jedi and BHs, and pointed out that both sides can say the same things about each other.
Yes, you can beat any profession, with Defender (no matter it's not master), and I wonder how your saber look like. And also, I've seen MDefs die from a BH, not because they're lame, just because the BH was better. Sometimes it happens.
I don't give a sh!t about how uber I am or I am not, I'm not playing for pwning everyone. If I want that, I load Jedi Academy instead of SWG. I didn't come here to whine about BHs being overpowered, I liek the way it is now, it's more or less balanced imo. I just want fairness, and I can't stand generalizing. Just because I'm a Jedi, that doesn't mean I exploit everything I come across, I don't talk trash, I never run away from a fight and no, I didn't E-bayed my character.
And, because I have a BH alt, I think I perfectly have all the rights to post on these boards, and if I see it neccessary, I'll show both sides. And I'm tired of people want to tell me what to do and what to think. If you can't stand what I'm saying, so f****g what? I have the same right to tell my opinion as you.
Dinchamion wrote:
HeadRoll wrote:
Dinchamion wrote:
This is the last time I say: I worked for my Jedi, thank you very much, never been on E-bay at all, and don't even know how much would my character worth.
Wait, did you just say you Worked for your Jedi? I never thought you can WORK in a video game. Or perhaps you are implying I worked my butt off to buy my ebay jedi ? Was that what you meant?
I said kiddo, that I've gone through a holocron, a few month of knowing nothing and then the village. I think I earned what I have, and I don't need kids telling me what should I do in the game.
I don't know who you are, and after this flamefest you did here and other topics I don't even care. If you buy a Jedi, it's your problem, not mine. I actually don't care of E-bayed Jedi until they don't act like morons.
But I can't stand generalizing, and I'm playing this game for fun, not for - surprise - to be "Teh Ubah". I don't care if a BH comes after me until I have a fair and fun fight. I became a Jedi because that's what I wanted from the very second I saw a Jedi in the game. It is not my, or any Jedi's fault that you can master any profession in days, and get Jedi only limited by the timed shifts of the village. I'm not running around the galaxy showing off my robe and LS, I just don't give a sh!t about others know I'm a Jedi or not.
Conversation with you is over. Ignore on.
Romulus76 wrote:If you can't stand generalizing, STOP GENERALIZING THAT JEDI IS THE MOST NERFED PROFESSION IN THE GAME! BH's were getting the nerfbat LONG before jedi had anything nerfed.
As far as I can remember, Jedi got something nerfed or messed up with every publish since Pub9. This topic was originally about how somebody is upset because the devs put a fix for something which was bugged. And, because it's Jedi, it's worthless and game-breaking. Like we don't pay the same amount of money for the same service.
diepa wrote:
HyprHypo wrote:
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Dinchamion wrote:
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HyprHypo wrote:
Let me get this straight, SOE forces us all to become the same profession to open a 2nd character. The same over powered profession everyone else is becoming. Sounds like I am being forced to play a certain way just to save some real life money, another Jedi perk that sucks for everyone else.
Let's see, so becoming the FOTM Jedi you can get the best invisibility since counter strike hacks, get a second character (saving you an extra $15 per month), become a master at escaping battle, not to mention winning battles and become the 1 recognized 1.5 alpha class and you get to be your own crafter with minor decay (i think just sabers) only draw back is a longer grind, nothing kash cant fix, and some pvp but who cares if u can go invis or use your 1.5 against the BH.
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Let me get this straight: SOE forces you sh!t. If you don't want to characters at once (and why you would, since you can freely drop and reget skills), you don't become a Jedi. Noone forces you to do this.
If you want a second character slot, and freely, then you can do the grind, surrender 24 skillpoints and thats all. You have the second character, you are not a Jedi (since you have no skillpoints in any Jedi skill). End of story. You don't get hunted, don't use Force, just lack the 24 skillpoints needed for the unlock.
Secondly, Jedi is not an alpha class practically. 1.5 multiplier goes only with certain templates, and if I don't want to be MDef (and I don't), I'm actually weaker than a fully templated fighter profession. Not mentioning that I need extreme luck or extreme money to be effective in PvP.
So, basically, you get nothing just a looooong and boring grind (yeah, Kash, whatever, another stupid generalizing, not every Jedi grind afk on Kash) and constant fear from anther player ruins a few days of work of yours.
You really better think before post, and more importantly see how things work.
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If I want to save 15 bucks a month I gotta become a Jedi, if I dont and still want a 2nd character I need to pay. This is a Jedi perk, one that should have been taken away when perma death was removed.
And ruin my character, thanks.
Jedi is the alpha class, according to SOE. Yes some templates might suck but it's still the "alpha class" PS We all need money to be effective in PVP
I didnt say AFK grind, kash groups and dant spin groups will get ya thru Jedi pretty quick, I wouldnt even call it as hard as getting MBH back in the days.
Full temps have nothing to fear, they lose XP when they are done grinding plus they are suppose to be 50% better than their attacker (of course depending on their skill and template)
think before I post? everything i said is true idiot, i think youve trolled here long enough. move along, you lose.
Message Edited by HyprHypo on 09-09-2005 03:14 AM
You really are a moron...24 skill points that can be used to build ranged speed, melee def, ranged def..sure they sound like they would ruin you BH template. Maybe you need someone to read the post to you...you do not have to be a jedi to get your free slot. You just have to spend a few weeks grinding xp for 24 FS boxes..boxes that will make your character better.
That is inaccurate. The mods you get from the FS combat prowess trees are no longer good enough to justify the skillpoints if it means you have to give up healing (if you're 4000 cm) or accuracy/speed from carbines/rifles/pistols from their specific trees. The FS skills do not compare to any of the ranged prof master and tier 4 boxes.
i miss my 3 rancors, and 3 walkers all at the same time... i am an empire of one