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truewildman wrote:

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FuryoftheStars wrote:

Ok, I'm not gonna go here nor there with the faction points crap, but what's this about the Z-95 not firing in the middle of the targeting reticle??

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Gaahh!! Hijack!!!

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No... not hijack. He mentioned that in his original post... I'm just picking up on it.

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Akridine wrote:

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FuryoftheStars wrote:

Ok, I'm not gonna go here nor there with the faction points crap, but what's this about the Z-95 not firing in the middle of the targeting reticle??

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you see the dot in the middle of the targetting reticle, when you fire the shots go to the side of the dot.

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Umm... when you zoom out you notice how the guns are placed to the left and right of that dot? There is no convergence in this game... the shots are supposed to go to either side of it.

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FuryoftheStars wrote:

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Akridine wrote:

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FuryoftheStars wrote:

Ok, I'm not gonna go here nor there with the faction points crap, but what's this about the Z-95 not firing in the middle of the targeting reticle??

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you see the dot in the middle of the targetting reticle, when you fire the shots go to the side of the dot.

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Umm... when you zoom out you notice how the guns are placed to the left and right of that dot? There is no convergence in this game... the shots are supposed to go to either side of it.

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nochewichal wrote:

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Akridine wrote:

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darmokVtS wrote:
Well what exactly did you expect? That the -5000 faction you have are meaningless?

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i expected the trainer to sayi need to improve my faction standingbefore giving me my starter ship and first mission.

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i agree. the devs like having us waste our time. look at the faction scanner, broken but no warning that its broken.

The dev's obviously aren't star wars fans because theres alot of defection in star wars, just because you served the empire shouldn't mean you cant fly as a rebel. i thought they need all the pilots they can get?

you defected to the rebellian and now they've grounded you, doesn't sound very star wars.

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Simply put: They don't trust you

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Akridine wrote:

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FuryoftheStars wrote:

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Akridine wrote:

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FuryoftheStars wrote:

Ok, I'm not gonna go here nor there with the faction points crap, but what's this about the Z-95 not firing in the middle of the targeting reticle??

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you see the dot in the middle of the targetting reticle, when you fire the shots go to the side of the dot.

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Umm... when you zoom out you notice how the guns are placed to the left and right of that dot? There is no convergence in this game... the shots are supposed to go to either side of it.

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strange that if you change the forum skin, theres a picutre showing JTL ships fireing their lazers with what looks like convergence.

i wonder why the devs didnt include it? youd think a flight computer/astromech could do it?

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Yeah, I do have that skin up and it does show convergence. But's it's nothing more than an artist's representation. I've played X-Wing Alliance before and that game did have convergence. But this one (graphically, at least) doesn't have it. If I target a player craft and shoot at it I sit there and watch the bolts fly to either side of him and get no sound indicating even a "friendly" hit. Yet if I disable a TIE and sit right next to him with the same exact ship and aim at him the same exact way... now, my shots are hitting, although graphically I see them pass to either side. Not 100% sure what the devs have done here. Sounds like a lot of unseen numbers and factors at work once again.

But to go with the main topic of this post, your right. The pilot trainer should've never allowed you to join with -5k FP. Sounds like an oversight on the devs part to me.

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Iawalein wrote:
-5000 FP isn't that hard to do. I was a Warrant Office II in the imp navy before "seeing the light".

I was able to get to positive rebel faction within four days, and I'm not very good at grinding. This was about two to three hours a day, doing the pirate missions. You might need a friend to get the higher level missions, but I think that they were giving about 30FP per (plus the NPCs). Doesn't take that long.

If you are on Bria and need help converting your faction, send me a tell.

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Ditto. Took me a couple or three evenings slaughtering Val's out in the desert.

BUT... the original poster has a valid point that people seem to be overlooking in their rush to post. The Pilot Trainer, who is effectively a recruiter, should have turned him down straight away. To let him start the missions and then give him a knock-back sounds like a bit of a glitch.

Out of curiosity, has anyone with -5k Imp faction tried getting into the Navy as a Pilot? Is it the same song and dance?

BTW, I'm now a rebel colonel.

so wait, can you launch into space and kill imps without taking a mission? can you declare overt at a station?

YOU LEFT THE EMPIRE!!!??!?!?!


Traitor.


-Marc

I think the original poster's point was that the trainer should have told him to go away until he'd gotten the necessary faction points up front. Then he could have decided whether it was worth it to become a rebel pilot. It seems to be something worthy of a /bug report rather than a flame war over faction points. Heh, still the faction points do make sense, you just should have been warned about it properly from the beginning.

That being said, if you want to get rid of the -5000 rebel fp I'd recommend killing storm troopers at the nifty spawn southeast of coronet that has the stormies constantly attacking a rebel base. In a three hour buff session I get 5k-10k faction (at least), all kinds of loot, max out TKM and Rifle XP, plus a bunch of credits. Nothing endears you to the rebellion more than ganking a couple regiments of stormies. Last I checked my rebel toon was a rebel colonel and had 34k of rebel faction and the obvious -5k imp faction. I only wish this game kept track of how many of each thing we killed. I'd love to know my current tally of storm troopers.

Hmmm, If I decided to go sign up for the empire tomorrow do you think they'd be interested in handing a TIE Fighter over to me?

Oh, and as a side note on where the blaster bolts converge, different ships have their weapons mounted on different parts of the ship. In a Y-Wing you get the center fire gun underneath the cockpit and the center gun above the cockpit. Dunelizards have a center fire gun and wing guns. The Z95 just has wing guns. It would be nice to set where the weapons convirge but not something we have atm.

Message Edited by DarthLueder on 11-17-2004 01:54 PM

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Akridine wrote:

Thanks devs, what idiot came up with the idea of needing to improve faction standing for rebelpilot? i drop imp pilot, leave the empire, im now neutral. sign up with the rebel trainer on tatooine, receive my starter ship and first mission. breeze through the mission (i like how the z-95doesnt fire in the middle of the targetting reticle.some more evidence that the devs are idiots.) come backl for mission 2 and guess what? im grounded, i need to improve my faction standing with the rebellian, im -5000 FP. how much exactly do i need to get? if it +200 then the devs can kiss my accounts goodbye, im loosing my patience with the devs and this game pretty quickly.

If i was george lucas i would of /slapped these devs until they cried.

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YOU, my friend, are a bafoon. If YOU truely think that the devs should change the faction system to make it easier for YOU to change factions when YOU have -5000 rebel faction points, YOU have no business playing this game anyway.

Games are supposed to be challenging!