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Thread: Petition to increase TIE Interceptor mass
TibbsTrifate
Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:54 pm
#14
TIE interceptor does need more mass. Just got it today and I am kinda disappointed. It only has 10k more mass than the TIE/IN. As it stands now, it is pretty much impossible to stock the interceptor with lvl 6 and lvl 7 components. I would be happy with any sort of increase, but I think something along the lines of 20-25k increase would be fair.
ArianSix
Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:18 am
#15
Agreed... at 50k it's just too darn hard to fit the ship with halfway decent equipment.
In order to get a good engine/capac/shields/gun I had to forgo missile and countermeasure, a droid interface (yep no droid commands for me), and I'm using a level 1 reactor and a level 2 booster.
Most of my equipment is Tier 2 equipment or heavily modified Tier 3 equipment that was experiment heavily in mass. Of all this, only 1 piece is a full Tier 3 because the thing tales upover 1/4 of my total mass.
Yes, I know, in EU Ties are light, but that didn't mean they sucked. The Interceptors were supposed to be insanely fast and maneuverable and give X-Wings a hard time, but as it is, our ships are slow as hell, not very maneuverable, and have pretty low end weapons... we're not really giving anything a hard time.
Also in the EU, these ships fought in large groups. In SWG we don't have these groups - even if we wanted to because the imps are vastly outnumbered on the majority of servers (like mine). So unless the devs are going to give each imp pilot an NPC army, we really do need an increase in the amount of stuff we can put in our ships... either that or a decrease across the board on how much stuff weighs.
-- A6
FuryoftheStars
Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:00 am
#16
One thing I think a lot of you guys are forgetting is that a lot of the systems on the interceptor class fighters were of lower quality (lower level of equipment) than of some of the heavier fighters. The A-Wing, for example, not only has less weapons than the X-Wing, but as standard came equiped with weaker weapons. It had less armor. It's engines were a bit more powerful, but that was about it.
When your asking to be allowed to stick in higher level equipment, you gotta realize that the fighters weren't meant to have that good of stuff in it to begin with. They were lighter for more speed and manueverability at the sacrifice of having to bear weaker weapons and armor. They weren't meant to have level 7 or 8 equipment in them. Same goes with the Advanced (referring to someone's comment to increase that one's mass so they can fit level 9 equipment in it). Their speed and manueverability (light mass) is what helped them survive... not their power or strength (high level of equipment).
When your asking to be allowed to stick in higher level equipment, you gotta realize that the fighters weren't meant to have that good of stuff in it to begin with. They were lighter for more speed and manueverability at the sacrifice of having to bear weaker weapons and armor. They weren't meant to have level 7 or 8 equipment in them. Same goes with the Advanced (referring to someone's comment to increase that one's mass so they can fit level 9 equipment in it). Their speed and manueverability (light mass) is what helped them survive... not their power or strength (high level of equipment).
FuryoftheStars
Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:02 am
#17
Hillslayer wrote:If the a-wing has more mass as you say then shoulding it have less _available mass_ for spare systems?
Refer to the post I made just before you posted this one. The mass figure we're seeing is it's max capacity for systems... not what the frame weighs.
FuryoftheStars
Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:03 am
#18
Vicotnik wrote:
I_Win24 wrote:I agree the A-wing looks tiny compared to an intercepter with its giant wings and all =/ But maybe its made out of uber light materials =PI don't know... I think the Interceptor would be smaller/weigh less if you consider that it's just a big hollow ball with huge wings. The A-wing is rather compact.
exactly
willismaximus
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:25 pm
#19
Furon wrote:
Our tier 1 ship gets 20k. Our tier 2 ship gets 40k. Our tier 3 ship gets 50k. Our tier 4 ship gets 120k. Happy?
willismaximus wrote:
I_Win24 wrote:
willismaximus wrote:
Trying flying as a privateer. Our best light fighter only has 30K mass. I would kill for 50K. Be thankful.
Ouch that sucks, but at what level are you granted this fighter?
The level you are granted should not affect it. I get that particular fighter at tier 2. However, our tier 4 bomber only has 130K tops, while the y-wing, a tier 1 bomber, gets 160K or some crap. X-wing gets 100K at tier 3, whle our tier 3 medium fighter gets 80K. It's a ****ing joke really. People piss and moan over their a-wings only having 65K. Well guess what, the dunelizard *medium* fighter gets 70K. As of right now, nobody needs to be complaining but privateers, but I see hardly any people pointing out privateer issues.
Our best Light fighter: 30K
Our best Medium fighter: 80K
Our Best Bomber : 130K
If anyone got totally utterly screwed, it's us. And that's not even counting our worthless droid programs and special abilities. And the fact that we don't have a unique one seater at master.
Your best light fighter gets 50K, our's gets 30K. Your best medium fighters get 120K and 150K, our's get 70Kand 80K. Your bomber gets 190K, our bombers get 90K and 130K. Happy?
Yes, Imperial ships are a little low. Privateer ships are *very* low. Both need to be balanced. I never said imps weren't gimped a little, I just said that privateers have it *much* worse.
FuryoftheStars
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:31 pm
#20
MajorReb wrote:I think 50k mass is pretty light, but remember TIE's were cheap and not that great. They used quantity over quality. Large numbers of cheap ships to swarm the better-equiped, but more expensive Rebel fighters. But 50k mass is a little too light, if the A-Wing can be 65k mass
But the A-Wing also has heavier armor and shield systems than the Interceptor (or at least is supposed to). Interceptors aren't supposed to have shields at all... although I've noticed that the NPC ones do. I'm not sure if the PC ones can take them, but I'm sure they can if the NPC do. Anyways, point is, the A-Wing was supposed to have more systems in it than an Interceptor, accounting for the heavier mass. Either way, the A-Wing and Interceptor are interceptor class fighters. They were built for speed and manuerverability... not power and strength.
FuryoftheStars
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:50 pm
#21
Kivan28 wrote:
Celadrieldor wrote:
MajorReb wrote:I think 50k mass is pretty light, but remember TIE's were cheap and not that great. They used quantity over quality. Large numbers of cheap ships to swarm the better-equiped, but more expensive Rebel fighters. But 50k mass is a little too light, if the A-Wing can be 65k massPrivateer:
the medium hutt fighter at tier 1 is 60k but i dont knwo what to say about the ties, my alt is an imp pilot, it would be nice but.. like MajorRed said...
And if you want continuity.. TIE werent originally equiped with shields or hyperdrives lol.. so be happy the devs gave us that.
Normal NPC TIE's are the cheap ones, we are the "special" pilots that have the ability to customise our ships to our standards, so TIE Interceptors should have atleast 25k more... I think we need assault gunboats.
That's true... we are the ones that get to customize our fighters. But that doesn't mean that the standard factory line fighter uses up it's full capacity for mass. The frame can only hold just so much... that's what the mass figure is that we see. But for performance reasons, the assembly line fighters may not be fully decked out.
Hillslayer
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:51 pm
#22
If the a-wing has more mass as you say then shoulding it have less _available mass_ for spare systems?
KaylBreinhar
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:53 pm
#23
/sign. 2p/2m and 80k mass would be acceptable. Drop the bomber to 1p/3m or 1p/4m.
Vicotnik
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:56 pm
#24
I_Win24 wrote:
I agree the A-wing looks tiny compared to an intercepter with its giant wings and all =/ But maybe its made out of uber light materials =P
I don't know... I think the Interceptor would be smaller/weigh lessif you consider that it's just a big hollow ball with huge wings. The A-wing is rather compact.
KaylBreinhar
Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:58 pm
#25
The A-Wing has a much smaller profile, you're lucky to hit it at high speed/at an angle even if you have the lead indicator centerlined. Key to taking them out is being fast enough to get behind them and manueverable enough to not let them get behind YOU.
I've noticed A-Wing AI tends to get very stupid if you get them into a 45 degree or so turn, then it's only a matter of finding the angle and potting them like clay pigeons.
I've noticed A-Wing AI tends to get very stupid if you get them into a 45 degree or so turn, then it's only a matter of finding the angle and potting them like clay pigeons.
incubus622
Wed Nov 03, 2004 3:04 pm
#26
U guys do realize that it is a Tie Fighter... a craft made for expendable pilots, hence not going to be awesome in any respect. just put in a really good engine and make sure no one gets behind you.